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Forums - Sony Discussion - Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

Ljink96 on 21 May 2019
COKTOE said:
Ljink96 said:

Huh...really? I don't think I can see even to a degree why 3rd party sales would be brought to a 1st party sales discussion...even in conjunction because frankly I don't think those sales matter in this specific discussion. Conjunction implies juxtaposition, and imo the only things that really should be juxtaposed are Nintendo 1st party Sales and Sony 1st party sales. 

But as long as the new rules allow bending I guess my thoughts are rendered irrelevant. Guess the mod team has gotten softer, that's good! Carry on then. 

In terms of full priced games, there is less to choose from on Nintendo platforms as compared to their Playstation counterparts. People in general only spend X amount of $$$ on any given platform....It's not something anybody has a solid handle on though, so the impact of such contrasting dynamics is mostly speculation. Worth addressing at the very least. Some people may even present solid ideas on the topic. Not me though!

Fair enough, however as you said it's speculation. There's a fair amount of software for Switch and PS4, I'd say over 1000 games on Switch (even if most of them are complete trash) is still a large library. I generally only like to bring claims and warrants to back them up to any kind of discussion and debate to avoid gray areas and speculation. 



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DonFerrari on 21 May 2019
Valdney said:
A copy of Uncharted 4 costs 17 dollars on Amazon. The day Sony is able sell their games at full price years after their releases is the day they (sony) enter Nintendo level. So far that hasn't happened.

So basically you want Sony to adopt very anti-consumer practices to be on the same level of Nintendo? Nope, not interested in it happening.

Let people that have less money be able to buy discounted great games.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Ljink96 on 21 May 2019
colafitte said:
Ljink96 said:

I mean...you're bringing "what ifs" to a "what is" conversation...I don't see how that solves anything and I'm not that interested in  Nintendo's demographic really doesn't get hard for the type of games you've mentioned, I mean it's a silly way to put it but it's true. And then you'd have to get the data of how many people who play Fallout also love Mario Party and would buy it, that's just really messy and only complicates what the main idea of the thread really is. 

With this way of thinking we would never discuss anything, because what is this site if not "what ifs" or "what is" conversations??. If you don't want to understand why things happen and how it happen it's on you, but everyone else interested in this topic are going to try to.

To me, it's like if in the NBA, i compared Lebron stats surrounded by nobodies in a team that doesn't even get to playoffs to what Durant does in a championship team surrounded by people like Curry, Klay, Green. Lebron could do better numbers than Durant in that situation, but that doesn't mean Durant couldn't do better numbers than Lebron if he was the one playing with scrubs. Individual performance is measured and affected by the the context where you are playing, and in this case, a game launched on Switch is not affected the same because of competition as one coming on PS4, and that's VERY RELEVANT to why, for example, a game like God of War has so much merit selling that well.

Uh...that's not true. With this way of thinking we can compare sales in blood to compare where Sony was a generation ago, where they are now, compared to where Nintendo was a generation ago to where they are now. Including 3rd party sales is only speculation. I simply don't see how you're expecting me to get on board with speculation, I have to decline. I'm discussing what the thread title is, not the entirety of the site...

Are you suggesting that the overwhelming response to Fifa 19 on Switch did wonders for Super Mario Party sales? Because if so, what's the data behind that? When you want to understand the "why things happen" you generally need data which uh...you don't have and to be honest, nobody here has. Why did Super Mario Party sell 6.4M Units...well I guess maybe because it had better marketing, was a decently reviewed game and on a popular device. Sitting here trying to make up data is to me quite worthless. This is generally the work of software analysts doing empirical work, not some blokes on a forum with all due respect of course. 

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colafitte on 21 May 2019
RolStoppable said:
colafitte said:

With this way of thinking we would never discuss anything, because what is this site if not "what ifs" or "what is" conversations??. If you don't want to understand why things happen and how it happen it's on you, but everyone else interested in this topic are going to try to.

For you, to have the reason, you have to expect that any of those games have any % of impact on Super Mario Party sales. Even if it's just one game affecting 1% of the sales, that's already proving my point. That consumer that goes to a game shop to buy a game for his/her Switch console and instead to buy Super Mario Party, decides to buy COD.

To me, it's like if in the NBA, i compared Lebron stats surrounded by nobodies in a team that doesn't even get to playoffs to what Durant does in a championship team surrounded by people like Curry, Klay, Green. Lebron could do better numbers than Durant in that situation, but that doesn't mean Durant couldn't do better numbers than Lebron if he was the one playing with scrubs. Individual performance is measured and affected by the the context where you are playing, and in this case, a game launched on Switch is not affected the same because of competition as one coming on PS4, and that's VERY RELEVANT to why, for example, a game like God of War has so much merit selling that well.

The specific point that Evilms brought up can be quickly answered by turning the tables:

If the level of third party support were reversed between Sony and Nintendo, who would sell more first party games?

In my opinion??. Nintendo would still sell better, but its exclusives would sell less, 10-20% less. And like i said previously, Sony next and anticipated games would probably sell almost the same but the hardware would sell a lot less.

That's why Nintendo is so great. Being able to sell a console in the 80-100M range it's an accomplishment only them are capable of. Their games have the quality and the legacy to allow that. And when their games are not as good or not as popular for whatever reason, well, the you have a WiiU or GC scenario, but that's usually the exception of the rule.



DonFerrari on 21 May 2019
Green098 said:

Still barely at 3DS era Ninty levels which was a lower than usual point for Nintendo like PS3 for Sony. Never mind Switch which is only two years old with well less than half the install base is outpacing these sales numbers.

Don't get me wrong these numbers are great for Sony, obviously a leap from PS3 but as for the topic of the thread, they're not big enough to convince me anythings changed between the gap of Sony and Nintendo's 1st party sales numbers.

If anything it would be better to say the gap is increasing in Nintendo's favour since the Switch's release coming from the Wii U/3DS era. 1st party software performance has been insane in such a short time, it's already looking to outperform the DS especially with all software focused on one platform.

Everything changed... If until PS3 there were only GT that reach 10M on Sony side while several did for Nintendo, and now they are quite close on the number of 10M seller then everything changed.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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colafitte on 21 May 2019
Ljink96 said:

Uh...that's not true. With this way of thinking we can compare sales in blood to compare where Sony was a generation ago, where they are now, compared to where Nintendo was a generation ago to where they are now. Including 3rd party sales is only speculation. I simply don't see how you're expecting me to get on board with speculation, I have to decline. I'm discussing what the thread title is, not the entirety of the site...

Are you suggesting that the overwhelming response to Fifa 19 on Switch did wonders for Super Mario Party sales? Because if so, what's the data behind that? When you want to understand the "why things happen" you generally need data which uh...you don't have and to be honest, nobody here has. Why did Super Mario Party sell 6.4M Units...well I guess maybe because it had better marketing, was a decently reviewed game and on a popular device. Sitting here trying to make up data is to me quite worthless. This is generally the work of software analysts doing empirical work, not some blokes on a forum with all due respect of course. 

So you only want to compare absolute numbers without any kind of context??. I guess then that the last episode of Game of Thrones was the best in history because it was the most viewed of the series, so more viewers obviously = better reception.

What "overwhelming response"?? FIFA 19 on Switch does not sell anywhere close to what it does on PS4. I don't understand this point, maybe you were sarcastic i guess...But your points about why Super Mario Party sold well, are perfectly valid points. Why are we not going to discuss them if we can't prove them right or wrong? I really don't understand your point of view. Nobody here have access to official numbers, so nobody should predict numbers or sales??? I'm here on VGC because i want to discuss with others things that are not officially demonstrated. If they were, what would be the point to post here?

Anyway, i get your point, although i don't agree, so i won't insist anymore because i'm derailing the thread. I was just honestly curious.



DonFerrari on 21 May 2019
Valdney said:
Does anybody by the way have the profit numbers generated by Sony's software vs Nintendo's? That's the most important question to ask, to see if Sony has reached Nintendo. I don't have those numbers, but I have a feeling that Sony does not even come close in that regard.

We have something very good if you want to look.

PS+ revenue and profit have been higher than the entirety of Nintendo for some years.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

colafitte on 21 May 2019
RolStoppable said:
colafitte said:

In my opinion??. Nintendo would still sell better, but its exclusives would sell less, 10-20% less. And like i said previously, Sony next and anticipated games would probably sell almost the same but the hardware would sell a lot less.

That's why Nintendo is so great. Being able to sell a console in the 80-100M range it's an accomplishment only them are capable of. Their games have the quality and the legacy to allow that. And when their games are not as good or not as popular for whatever reason, well, the you have a WiiU or GC scenario, but that's usually the exception of the rule.

You have very optimistic expectations for Sony in that specific scenario.

Well, you ask me. You're yet to prove me wrong in my predictions recently.....



Geralt99 on 21 May 2019

An ocean of salt from nintendo fanboys.
Downplaying the success of sony and Playstation as always.

❌ BANNED: Flaming/Trolling (antagonizing Nintendo fans) ~ CGI



KingofTrolls on 21 May 2019

The good thing here is that PS3/4 exclusives sold/are selling better than the most would have guessed.
What stands for this Nintendo/Sony row, I have to admit this time Ninboys got it right.
Simply, the metric is an uphill battle for PS4. But the price is big.