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Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

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colafitte said:
MasonADC said:

Multiple switch games will, and it is pretty safe to assume that without the limited BF bundle MK8D would have 

And multiple ps4 games will too. What's your point then?.

And even agreeing with you on MK games in general, that's not enough to deny Sony games are reaching Nintendo home console games sales. 

There's an arrogance related to Nintendo sales that I don't get it this gen...

Nobody is saying Sony has surpassed Nintendo in this regard. Just that is getting closer and closer nearing Nintendo levels this Gen. 

And if it is not true. Name me which home console Nintendo games have sold more than 10M since 2012 so we can compare the number to Sony ones as today. And then how many have sold 15M or more. Let's put facts over the table and see what happens. 

What PS4 exclusive will/has reach 10 million at full price? The only one that has a chance is TLOU2. It was your question, so I'm not understanding what you mean by whats your point.

I agree that they are getting closer, but I disagree that they reached/enter Nintendo's level(as stated by the thread title). 

In terms of what has sold more than 15 or 10 million, it is weird to compare them for a system that is less than 2 and a half years old. At this point, ps4 didn't even get its first huge first party game in uncharted. Uncharted or TLOU might crawl to 20 million, but then we have switch games like MK8 or Smash that will reach even more than that. But good in their own regards, but not on equal footing. PS5 should solve that 



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TheBlackNaruto said:

Nah I disagree.....stating that Sony has reached Nin levels is indeed true. The Switch for Nintendo......much like the PS4 did for Sony just shot their 1st party sales even higher. And that is a Freaking great thing! Sony reached Nin level sales for every home console before the Switch including the MONSTER that was the Wii....outside of the Wiisports/fitness games of course which just sold absolute butt loads for whatever reason lol.

And I am not sure if the PS4 will have any 20m plus sellers but they will definitely have multiple 15m plus sellers when all is said and done just like Nin will along with the 10m plus sellers so not sure why you say Sony isn't going to touch that with their PS4 games when they already are outside of the 20m plus lol.

So no accomplishments were undone at all imo. Both just have some amazing 1st party sales! And the Switch just raised the bar for Nintendo! All good for both in my book!

That comes down to the question which company and which console has more gas left in the tank.

The PS4 is approaching the end of relevant first party support while Switch has yet to reach the midway point of its lifecycle, so there shouldn't be any doubt that from this point going forward Nintendo will release many more Switch games than Sony will release games for the PS4.

The same thing also ties into the question how much time the games of each console have left to leg it out and increase their individual totals, hence why the numbers I posted in parantheses are important. Once you begin to make estimates for where the Nintendo games might end up at, you'll be looking at numbers that put Sony's PS4 games significantly behind.

If you put Switch games side by side to PS4 games, Switch already has a slight advantage. If you then consider the strength of legs of the titles, then the conclusion can't be anything other than Nintendo's advantage is going to grow.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

Does anybody by the way have the profit numbers generated by Sony's software vs Nintendo's? That's the most important question to ask, to see if Sony has reached Nintendo. I don't have those numbers, but I have a feeling that Sony does not even come close in that regard.



Valdney said:
Does anybody by the way have the profit numbers generated by Sony's software vs Nintendo's? That's the most important question to ask, to see if Sony has reached Nintendo. I don't have those numbers, but I have a feeling that Sony does not even come close in that regard.

Such a breakdown does not exist in either company's financial results.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

MasonADC said:
colafitte said:

And multiple ps4 games will too. What's your point then?.

And even agreeing with you on MK games in general, that's not enough to deny Sony games are reaching Nintendo home console games sales. 

There's an arrogance related to Nintendo sales that I don't get it this gen...

Nobody is saying Sony has surpassed Nintendo in this regard. Just that is getting closer and closer nearing Nintendo levels this Gen. 

And if it is not true. Name me which home console Nintendo games have sold more than 10M since 2012 so we can compare the number to Sony ones as today. And then how many have sold 15M or more. Let's put facts over the table and see what happens. 

What PS4 exclusive will/has reach 10 million at full price? The only one that has a chance is TLOU2. It was your question, so I'm not understanding what you mean by whats your point.

I agree that they are getting closer, but I disagree that they reached/enter Nintendo's level(as stated by the thread title). 

In terms of what has sold more than 15 or 10 million, it is weird to compare them for a system that is less than 2 and a half years old. At this point, ps4 didn't even get its first huge first party game in uncharted. Uncharted or TLOU might crawl to 20 million, but then we have switch games like MK8 or Smash that will reach even more than that. But good in their own regards, but not on equal footing. PS5 should solve that 

To be precise i said 15M at full price, not 10M but if you ask. Spiderman last year was really close. And what i meant is that you are saying Switch still has games to come that can sell 10+ or 15+ M sold and i tell PS4 it's the same, so what's the point in saying that then?

What an excuse using install base to say that Switch has an disadvantage...I expect all you saying this same thing in 2019 saying that the next Mario 3D, the next Zelda 3D, selling worse then being a complete failure in a few years because Switch will be twice the install base then.....We'll see what you say then, because name me a sequel or next game in the franchise in the same console that sold better than the previous one in Nintendo history. Again, if you can find it, please name it.

Since 2012 when WiiU started, Nintendo has had the next home console games reaching 10M or more:

- Mario Kart 8 WiiU + Mario Kart 8 DX Switch = around 20-25M shipped at the moment

- Super Mario Odyssey = around 15M shipped

- The Legend of Zelda WiiU+Switch = 14-15M shipped

- Super Smash Bros Ultimate = around 14M shipped

- Pokemon Let's Go = around 11M shipped

So i count 5 games.

Already launched games candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: Splatoon 2 with around 9M shipped, maybe Super Mario Party 

Announced games yet to launch candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: Pokemon Sword&Shield, Animal Crossing, maybe Super Mario Maker 2

If i count those you can add 3, 4, maybe 5 games in the next 2 years possibly.

Now compare to Sony since 2012:

- The Last of Us PS3+PS4 = 20M sold

- Uncharted 4 = 16M sold

- God of War = 11M sold

- Horizon Zero Dawn = more than 10M sold

- Spider-Man = probably close to 11-12M sold at least (9M sold before December last year)

That's 5 games too.

Already launched games candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: Gran Turismo Sport 7'5M players, probably more than 6M sold (but if you don't want to count this, it's fair), Days Gone (recently launched but it's doing Horizon Zero Dawn numbers at launch)

Announced games yet to launch candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: The Last of Us Part II, Ghosts of Tsushima, maybe Death Stranding.

So maybe 3 o 4 more games in the next years coming to that milestone too.

So...., how is Sony studios not reaching Nintendo levels this last gen?? To me, the people saying no are just in denial mode....

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Valdney said:
Does anybody by the way have the profit numbers generated by Sony's software vs Nintendo's? That's the most important question to ask, to see if Sony has reached Nintendo. I don't have those numbers, but I have a feeling that Sony does not even come close in that regard.

Given the context of the thread (unit sales of 1st party titles), it isn't an important question to ask.



                                                                                                                                            

TheBlackNaruto said:
MasonADC said:

Multiple switch games will, and it is pretty safe to assume that without the limited BF bundle MK8D would have 

Not to be that guy but he did say in the last 20yrs on a Home console without pricecuts/bundles not only the Switch. Which very well MAY have multiple 15m sellers without pricecut we won't know until later on. But with Pokemon and Animal crossing I think those 2 are the ones that will potentially do it. But if either has a bundle then that will automatically throw that out the window smh.

Ljink96 said:

Of course not, but they're going to get close. It's really to be expected on a near 100M+ base.

Nintendo is around 34-35M hardware and the software numbers they do have for Switch are quite impressive first party wise. I don't think we've yet to see the full effects of Nintendo's combined efforts of supporting only 1 device but 2019-2020 should be a good indicator. 

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Regarding people being "salty"...c'mon guys at least wait until Switch has run its course in deciding how many 1st party 10+ Million sellers there's going to be... In any case it's not like either 1st party representation is a pushover, stop the silly console war talk, just makes gamers look bad.  

Personally I can't see how people are not seeing Nintendo levels with everything listed especially Uncharted 4. Heck outside of the Wiisports/fit etc games and New Super Mario Bros Wii and Mario Kart Wii there were only like 2 Wii games on a 100 million plus user base that sold more than 10 million. So we can't really say "It's really to be expected on a near 100M+ base" Because that is just not the case.

I don't think ANYONE has disputed that the Switch software numbers are amazing. And the Salty comment came from some user saying that silly statement about not being at Nintendo levels because it was not done at full price which was just ridiculous. I also don't think anyone decided anything about how many 1st party 10 million plus sellers  would have just yet.

But I agree the console war talk is silly and definitely needs to stop but it is what makes things fun at the same time....a little FRIENDLY competition here and there but some folks just go over board man and it sucks smh.

True, but the Wii is always used in single case scenarios. The device was troubled, yet successful so using it as the standard doesn't hold up quite well. You can't really say "outside of these games that sold extremely well" that's kinda circumventing factual data.

I think it would help everyone to actually look at Nintendo's shipped numbers:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/3ds.html

And while yes, like I Said PlayStation 1st party is close they just aren't quite there yet. GOW at 11M, HZD at 11M, SpiderMan at 9M, probably 10M, TLOU at 17M split between PS3 and PS4, and UC4 at 16M, it isn't as consistent as even the 3DS with UC4 being the single SKU to hit 16M+. TLOU2 at 17M is very impressive, but combine something like MK8 Wii U and MK8 Switch, it's at 25M+ between around 50-60M consoles, vs. TLOU at 17M across 170-180M consoles. Looking at software to hardware ratios, Nintendo's 1st party edges out Sony's at this time. 

And the Switch is really just about to get started with Software sales as we get into their bigger titles along with evergreen titles coupled with price drops, revisions, etc. which is why I suggested that everyone wait until Switch is where PS4 is, 6-7 years into its life to compare software. 

I don't mind friendly competition but I kinda want facts to back up claims is all. 



CGI-Quality said:
Valdney said:
Does anybody by the way have the profit numbers generated by Sony's software vs Nintendo's? That's the most important question to ask, to see if Sony has reached Nintendo. I don't have those numbers, but I have a feeling that Sony does not even come close in that regard.

Given the context of the thread (unit sales of 1st party titles), it isn't an important question to ask.



PS4:

Uncharted 4 A thief's End : 16 million
The Last Of US Remastered : 12 million
God Of War : 11 million
Horizon Zero Dawn : 10 million
Marvel's Spider-Man : 10 million +


PS3:

Uncharted 3 : 9,3 million
The Last Of Us : 8,2 million
God Of War III : 7,6 million

PS2:

God Of War II : 4,5 million

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Evilms said:

PS4:

Uncharted 4 A thief's End : 16 million
The Last Of US Remastered : 12 million
God Of War : 11 million
Horizon Zero Dawn : 10 million
Marvel's Spider-Man : 10 million +


PS3:

Uncharted 3 : 9,3 million
The Last Of Us : 8,2 million
God Of War III : 7,6 million

PS2:

God Of War II : 4,5 million

Really great. I can't wait to see Days Gone, TLOU Part. II, Death Stranding, Final Fantasy VII Remake and GOT's numbers.