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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

Havent the double packs sold like ~200k in Japan? Worldwide that should easily be over 500k and then add in people who buy both but seperately.

It might add 1-2 million to the total but for a game that sells 16-17 million per entry thats not a huge amount.

There were double packs in America as well. I have no idea what the numbers are though. I wouldn't be surprised it if was 10-15% though.  I swear I must know the like 6 most hardcore Nintendo fans on the planet and it's skewing my perspective on hardcore Nintendo fans. I literally know four people that automatically buy both Pokemon games the day they come out, on release every single time. They also own 3-4 DSs and 3DS each. One of them even imported the PAL SNES edition 3DS.

Yep thats why i said the double packs are probably over 500k WW if Japan is ~200k.

You work in the industry so isnt it possible that your friends would be more on the hardcore side than the average consumer?

Edit: just saw your edit, ya im pretty sure Nintendo counts double packs as two sales, i know Famitsu does at least.



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pikashoe said:
potato_hamster said:

Why would they? It's a fact. Pokemon games DO sell higher because they release two versions of the game and there are a number of fans that buy both copies. That's undeniable. How much higher? I personally don't have any way of knowing, but it is noteworthy when factoring in Pokemon to any sales discussion.

I'm sure some people buy both versions but I can't see it being a large amount. I know a large amount of Pokemon fans varying from casual to more hardcore and i don't know a single person that buys both versions. I know some that skip the initial release and wait for the third version.

Come on now. Every release, they give players the choice to buy a pack that comes with both versions of the game. 



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

I can't see them bundling both of them together. I could see one of them along with 1 2 Switch or something along those lines.

A little while ago Best Buy had a deal, buy Switch and get MK8, Odyssey, BotW or Splatoon for 50% off. I could see them doing that again this holiday nationwide and getting the game for free instead. Gamecube had something like that back in the day too.

Yeah, that's not a bad idea. I wonder how longer before they come out with joycons with graphics on them. I want me some Super Famicom joycons.

Ya its just a matter of time before they start releasing special editions like that, im sure they will start putting graphics on the front of the dock & back of the tablet at some point as well.



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:
Personally for me Sony games are much above Nintendo in quality and presentation. Sales and Meta doesn't really make my experience better.

Well this is a sales thread on a sales site, personal preferences really dont matter.

It matters on "Sony is entering Nintendo level". For me they passed that on PS1 with Gran Turismo and Syphon Filter, passed with other IPs on PS3/4



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Hynad said:
pikashoe said:

I'm sure some people buy both versions but I can't see it being a large amount. I know a large amount of Pokemon fans varying from casual to more hardcore and i don't know a single person that buys both versions. I know some that skip the initial release and wait for the third version.

Come on now. Every release, they give players the choice to buy a pack that comes with both versions of the game. 

I'm not denying that. Is there a point you're trying to make here? I don't think the games coming this year even have a double pack.



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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

There were double packs in America as well. I have no idea what the numbers are though. I wouldn't be surprised it if was 10-15% though.  I swear I must know the like 6 most hardcore Nintendo fans on the planet and it's skewing my perspective on hardcore Nintendo fans. I literally know four people that automatically buy both Pokemon games the day they come out, on release every single time. They also own 3-4 DSs and 3DS each. One of them even imported the PAL SNES edition 3DS.

Yep thats why i said the double packs are probably over 500k WW if Japan is ~200k.

You work in the industry so isnt it possible that your friends would be more on the hardcore side than the average consumer?

Edit: just saw your edit, ya im pretty sure Nintendo counts double packs as two sales, i know Famitsu does at least.

Yeah, they are/were game developers as well. But I think they might be more hardcore than the average hardcore Nintendo fan. Like, "taking Japanese in university so you can play Japanese import games and understand them" hardcore.

But just to be overabundantly clear, I honestly don't know how well these dual packs sell, or what percentage of Pokemon owners buy both copies, but it's clearly enough for Nintendo themselves to release Dual Packs, so Nintendo probably has a pretty great idea.



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

Yep thats why i said the double packs are probably over 500k WW if Japan is ~200k.

You work in the industry so isnt it possible that your friends would be more on the hardcore side than the average consumer?

Edit: just saw your edit, ya im pretty sure Nintendo counts double packs as two sales, i know Famitsu does at least.

Yeah, they are/were game developers as well. But I think they might be more hardcore than the average hardcore Nintendo fan. Like, "taking Japanese in university so you can play Japanese import games and understand them" hardcore.

But just to be overabundantly clear, I honestly don't know how well these dual packs sell, or what percentage of Pokemon owners buy both copies, but it's clearly enough for Nintendo themselves to release Dual Packs, so Nintendo probably has a pretty great idea.

Ya thats not hardcore, thats extremist lol

I think your 10-15% estimate is probably in the ballpark for number of double dippers.



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zorg1000 said:

Sure they arent done selling and more are coming but at the same time not all of those 3DS games listed are up to date and doesnt include games that shipped less than 1 million in a single fiscal year.

If a game isnt in the top 10 or ship 1 million in a single fiscal year it does not get updated or show up at all. For example if a game ships 800k in the first year, 300k in the 2nd and 100k in the 3rd, it wouldnt ever show up in their fiscal reports. Or if a game does 1.7m in the 1st, 600k in the 2nd and 200k in the 3rd, it would not be updated higher than 1.7m unless it was in the top 10 of the system.

You are adding a couple million to each PS4 game after the last update but acting as if 3DS games just stopped selling years ago.

Then let's make it 200M then happy?  
With just 4 games I highlighted it could end up minimum of 40M Sales.
Then you have titles I mentioned at 25-30M or more.
Then I am not including the yearly sales for MLB the show, Rachet and Clank PS4 (Insomniac successful game to date), God of War III, Uncharted collection and etc. 

Then the future heavy hitters and small to mid games from Sony.
Then the future game announcements. 

PS4 has shot if you don't see that then that's fine. I am not going to try to convince you anymore. I am just going to let the numbers decide it 2-3 years from now.

The_Liquid_Laser said:

A) You can call it a 17M seller if you want, but it's not "at Ninty level" if it can't do it on only one platform.

B) We combine Silver/Gold and the other Pokémon games because they are the same game on the same platform.

You don't seem to think that adding another platform matters.  It does in fact matter a lot.

The double standard is really high here. tsk.. tsk.. It's okay for you to add Pokemon version but I can't. 
As someone has said it's 2 version of the same game.

X is same as Y but yet they are still different. You cannot get Xerneas if you bought Y unless you wait for someone to trade it to you. You cannot have the Mega evolution of Charizard and mewtwo from X if you bought Y. There's exclusive Pokemon from X and Y too. 

colafitte said: 

And yeah, Switch did those number of sales in just 2 years comparred to Sony, but PS4 has in the future Ghost of Tsushima, another TLOU in part II, and i'm pretty confident Days Gone will surprise in terms of sales. We are not comparing Nintendo and Sony how they were 5, 10, o 15 years ago, because Nintendo had the upper hand easily, we are talking in 2018 and inmediate future . Nintendo have Mario 2D and 3D, Pokemon, Zelda, Smash, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, Splatoon, Donkey Kong Country as huge sellers and Sony have TLOU, Uncharted, God of War, Horizon, Gran Turismo, Spiderman and most probably (but if you don't want to count them i'm fine) Ghosts of Tsushima and Days Gone. Look, I'm not saying Sony surpassed Nintendo by any means, I'm still think Nintendo is the bigger software company in the world, but now Sony is closing the gap, and they can be actually compared as this topic is a proof of it.

By reaching "Nintendo levels" is just to say, that Sony now have more than 5 franchises that can be compared to the biggest franchises in terms of sales, nothing more, nothing less, but yeah, Nintendo is still number one.

That's what I am trying to say since the very beginning. Fist bump.



NoCtiS_NoX said:

colafitte said: 

And yeah, Switch did those number of sales in just 2 years comparred to Sony, but PS4 has in the future Ghost of Tsushima, another TLOU in part II, and i'm pretty confident Days Gone will surprise in terms of sales. We are not comparing Nintendo and Sony how they were 5, 10, o 15 years ago, because Nintendo had the upper hand easily, we are talking in 2018 and inmediate future . Nintendo have Mario 2D and 3D, Pokemon, Zelda, Smash, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, Splatoon, Donkey Kong Country as huge sellers and Sony have TLOU, Uncharted, God of War, Horizon, Gran Turismo, Spiderman and most probably (but if you don't want to count them i'm fine) Ghosts of Tsushima and Days Gone. Look, I'm not saying Sony surpassed Nintendo by any means, I'm still think Nintendo is the bigger software company in the world, but now Sony is closing the gap, and they can be actually compared as this topic is a proof of it.

By reaching "Nintendo levels" is just to say, that Sony now have more than 5 franchises that can be compared to the biggest franchises in terms of sales, nothing more, nothing less, but yeah, Nintendo is still number one.

That's what I am trying to say since the very beginning. Fist bump.

I understood you from the begining what you meant because i feel the same. This topic reminds me the times in this site, in 2013, when PS4 and XBO were announced and launched and I was one the few back then that said that PS4 was going to dominate easily by selling more than 100m units. Time prove me right. Denial was huge then and denial in this topic is huge now. I repeat, Nintendo is number one, but Sony is trying to translate their model into their own consoles, but mantaining the 3rd party success. That's why they focused a lot on their own games in last E3. Sony wants to associate Playtation success with Sony games.

Sony, is constructing one the most poweful software companies in the world. By the time PS5 launches, Sony Worldwide Studios (Sony 1st party games as a whole) will be the most dominant publisher for the PS5, ahead of the Activision's, EA's, Ubisoft's. That my take.



NoCtiS_NoX said:


The_Liquid_Laser said:

A) You can call it a 17M seller if you want, but it's not "at Ninty level" if it can't do it on only one platform.

B) We combine Silver/Gold and the other Pokémon games because they are the same game on the same platform.

You don't seem to think that adding another platform matters.  It does in fact matter a lot.

The double standard is really high here. tsk.. tsk.. It's okay for you to add Pokemon version but I can't. 
As someone has said it's 2 version of the same game.

X is same as Y but yet they are still different. You cannot get Xerneas if you bought Y unless you wait for someone to trade it to you. You cannot have the Mega evolution of Charizard and mewtwo from X if you bought Y. There's exclusive Pokemon from X and Y too. 

No double standard.  People add together versions that are a little different all the time.  Just today I was in Best Buy and saw that GTA V had an edition without an expansion pack and another edition with an expansion pack.  Sales of both those versions go toward the same total.  In fact there is a lot more difference between a standard game vs. a game with an expansion included than there is between X and Y.  And yet it is standard to total these games together.

What is not standard is to take the same game on the same platform and compare it to another game on two platforms.  The number of platforms is what really matters.  It is not sound analysis to compare one platform total to two platform totals.