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Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

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MasonADC said:
colafitte said:

To me, this sounds like wishful thinking. You add 4-5m more to games that launched in 2017 like if it was easy to do. This notion that all Nintendo games have infinite legs is a lie. 2D Mario and Mario Kart have those legs, but Pokemon, Zelda, Splatoon, not as much (i'm not saying they don't have, I'm saying not at the same level). Mario odyssey will sell 1m a year for the next years as much, and Zelda will start drop in sales inevitably. Splatoon 2 is around 6'5m...., no way will reach 10m in a year or two. And why Animal Crossing will suddenly sell more than 15m??? This notion that Switch is some kind of magic box that makes everything amazing is wrong. Odyssey and BOTW sold a lot because they were historically good games that had amazing marketing campaigns behind them. The same with Smash at 20m.... why???, the Wii one sold around 13m and was hyped as hell then too, so why a game in a console that sold less hardware and softare in the same time period will suddenly sell a 50% more??? that's too much. 

And I'm still waiting for a better answer for what i said about sony games than "I just don't consider the PS4 titles on this level". So, when in a year, we start seeing updated numbers and we have Uncharted 4 10-15m, Horizon surpassing 10m, God of War reaching 10m before 2019, Gran Turismo Sport saying that there are 7-8m players (i remember the days in this site when GT5 launched and for years people said that the sales were disappointing, but GT5 kept selling and selling), Spiderman becoming the most succesful Marvel licensed game, TLOU II launching and becoming the fastest Sony game ever, then what? If by the end of this year TLOU, U4, Horizon, GOW and Spiderman are all 10+m sellers, what people will say then?

Have we not seen the legs for Zelda and Splatoon? Both are constantly in the top 20, while splatoon has even reached number one in Japan some 30 weeks after launch. Mario Odyssey has already surpassed a million copies this year, I don't see how you think 15 million is the max it will reach. And besides, we have to remember that this all happened in 15 months of the switch life. Based off of what we have been seeing, Switch games have been more desirable than past iterations. It is not unlikely to think that something like Animal crossing will be the best selling version of it's series. And Smash? It would be weird to have smash typically be a bigger seller than zelda and Mario just for those two too outsell it now. Especially the Ultimate Smash game, and the biggest title by far this year. 

As for the sony's titles, how am I using wishful thinking, when you just implied that Uncharted 4 might have 15 million sold? The last update was 8.7 million right? How is it crazy that a Nintendo title won't have legs to reach 20 million when it sold 11 million in 8 months, but it is ok that Uncharted could have reached 15 million? If it takes by the end of the ps4 5th year to have 5 titles pasted 10 million, when the Switch will possibly have 5 titles pasted 10 million by the end of it's second year, it is quite easy to see why they aren't on the same level

Oh sorry, I meant for Mario and Zelda after this year, my bad for not explain myself correctly.

In respect of Zelda and Splatoon, yeah, they are normally in the top 20 this year, but Zelda must be around 10m and Splatoon 2 around 6-6'5m. They will probaly sell only in 2018 around 3m each, but I expect them to fall considerably in 2019 once Smash Bros, Pokemon 2019, Metroid Prime 4, and more new games start arriving to Switch and make the competion harder.  

And about Uncharted 4 sales, I based that number because the 8'7m figure was at the end of 2016, but we have another number after The Lost Legacy launched, at the end of 2017 (December 11) where Sony stated that Uncharted franchise had sold almost 42m, when in May 2016, just before U4 launch the sales were around 28m. So U4 and TLL sold around 14m sales in that period. So, maybe Uncharted TLL sold a lot better than most think and in less than 5 months sold more than 4m units, or most probably, U4 sold most of those 14m units. Now we are in August 2018, so i'm pretty confident U4 is around 10-15m (i'm using a range, i'm not saying that it sold 15m, I think it must be around 12-13m in fact)

And yeah, Switch did those number of sales in just 2 years comparred to Sony, but PS4 has in the future Ghost of Tsushima, another TLOU in part II, and i'm pretty confident Days Gone will surprise in terms of sales. We are not comparing Nintendo and Sony how they were 5, 10, o 15 years ago, because Nintendo had the upper hand easily, we are talking in 2018 and inmediate future . Nintendo have Mario 2D and 3D, Pokemon, Zelda, Smash, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, Splatoon, Donkey Kong Country as huge sellers and Sony have TLOU, Uncharted, God of War, Horizon, Gran Turismo, Spiderman and most probably (but if you don't want to count them i'm fine) Ghosts of Tsushima and Days Gone. Look, I'm not saying Sony surpassed Nintendo by any means, I'm still think Nintendo is the bigger software company in the world, but now Sony is closing the gap, and they can be actually compared as this topic is a proof of it.

By reaching "Nintendo levels" is just to say, that Sony now have more than 5 franchises that can be compared to the biggest franchises in terms of sales, nothing more, nothing less, but yeah, Nintendo is still number one.



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Alkibiádēs said:
Qwark said:
Spiderman is up next to join that list, which is great for Insomniac too

I wouldn't call Spiderman a first party game. They don't own the IP nor the studio who developed the game in question. 

And yes, great leap and very good sales for Sony this gen, but not quite Nintendo level. 

Sony is publishing Spiderman, so its a first party game



colafitte said:
MasonADC said:

Have we not seen the legs for Zelda and Splatoon? Both are constantly in the top 20, while splatoon has even reached number one in Japan some 30 weeks after launch. Mario Odyssey has already surpassed a million copies this year, I don't see how you think 15 million is the max it will reach. And besides, we have to remember that this all happened in 15 months of the switch life. Based off of what we have been seeing, Switch games have been more desirable than past iterations. It is not unlikely to think that something like Animal crossing will be the best selling version of it's series. And Smash? It would be weird to have smash typically be a bigger seller than zelda and Mario just for those two too outsell it now. Especially the Ultimate Smash game, and the biggest title by far this year. 

As for the sony's titles, how am I using wishful thinking, when you just implied that Uncharted 4 might have 15 million sold? The last update was 8.7 million right? How is it crazy that a Nintendo title won't have legs to reach 20 million when it sold 11 million in 8 months, but it is ok that Uncharted could have reached 15 million? If it takes by the end of the ps4 5th year to have 5 titles pasted 10 million, when the Switch will possibly have 5 titles pasted 10 million by the end of it's second year, it is quite easy to see why they aren't on the same level

Oh sorry, I meant for Mario and Zelda after this year, my bad for not explain myself correctly.

In respect of Zelda and Splatoon, yeah, they are normally in the top 20 this year, but Zelda must be around 10m and Splatoon 2 around 6-6'5m. They will probaly sell only in 2018 around 3m each, but I expect them to fall considerably in 2019 once Smash Bros, Pokemon 2019, Metroid Prime 4, and more new games start arriving to Switch and make the competion harder.  

And about Uncharted 4 sales, I based that number because the 8'7m figure was at the end of 2016, but we have another number after The Lost Legacy launched, at the end of 2017 (December 11) where Sony stated that Uncharted franchise had sold almost 42m, when in May 2016, just before U4 launch the sales were around 28m. So U4 and TLL sold around 14m sales in that period. So, maybe Uncharted TLL sold a lot better than most think and in less than 5 months sold more than 4m units, or most probably, U4 sold most of those 14m units. Now we are in August 2018, so i'm pretty confident U4 is around 10-15m (i'm using a range, i'm not saying that it sold 15m, I think it must be around 12-13m in fact)

And yeah, Switch did those number of sales in just 2 years comparred to Sony, but PS4 has in the future Ghost of Tsushima, another TLOU in part II, and i'm pretty confident Days Gone will surprise in terms of sales. We are not comparing Nintendo and Sony how they were 5, 10, o 15 years ago, because Nintendo had the upper hand easily, we are talking in 2018 and inmediate future . Nintendo have Mario 2D and 3D, Pokemon, Zelda, Smash, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, Splatoon, Donkey Kong Country as huge sellers and Sony have TLOU, Uncharted, God of War, Horizon, Gran Turismo, Spiderman and most probably (but if you don't want to count them i'm fine) Ghosts of Tsushima and Days Gone. Look, I'm not saying Sony surpassed Nintendo by any means, I'm still think Nintendo is the bigger software company in the world, but now Sony is closing the gap, and they can be actually compared as this topic is a proof of it.

By reaching "Nintendo levels" is just to say, that Sony now have more than 5 franchises that can be compared to the biggest franchises in terms of sales, nothing more, nothing less, but yeah, Nintendo is still number one.

One thing to consider about Uncharted sales is that Nathan Drake Collection probably added some sales between the 28m & 42m announcements.

But ya UC4 is very likely above 10m by now.



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zorg1000 said:

So how do you figure its close to 3DS? 3DS is at 176 million, the top 4 on PS4 are at 28m which are much higher than other Sony games, 3DS is likely over double PS4.

I think you are misunderstanding my point here. 
3DS is what 8 years? and PS4 is 4 years and 9 months. Basically PS4 1st party games will still sell significantly as opposed to 3DS that it will not sell more significantly. 
With the 4 games I mention it's already doing 28M (known number/sold to customer)

Now how about we do this. Let's do some estimates. (shipped)

UC4 could be at 10.5M-11M
God of War 8M
HZD 8M
Last of us 8.5M
35M total 
These 4 are not yet done selling.

Now we have 
GTS 3.3M could end up at 5-6M
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-has-sold-around-3-3-million-copies-worldwide/

Drive club 2.5-3.5M 
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-08-03-driveclub-surpasses-2m-sales

Infamous could be at 3-4 Million 
https://www.polygon.com/2014/4/10/5600894/infamous-second-son-sales-1m-units-in-nine-days

Killzone shadow fall 3-4M
https://www.engadget.com/2014/01/29/killzone-shadow-fall-global-sales-top-2-1-million/

Bloodborne 3.5M-4.5M
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4s-bloodborne-sells-2-million/1100-6430572/

Detroit  might end up selling 5M LTD
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-06-12-detroit-become-human-is-the-fastest-quantic-dream-game-to-reach-one-million-sales
Heavy rain sold 5.3M across PS3/PS4 for comparison.
Heavy rain PS4 could be at 2M
Beyond two sould 1M

There are still more but I am getting tired of looking for more. 

And Sony has still heavy hitters that has yet to be released.
Last of us II, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima and Days Gone.
Then you also have Dreams could be a dark Horse, Small games like concrete Genie, We have Japan studios few gamesin the pipeline for the PS4.
It might not match  NInty's overall output for the 3DS but when PS4 is done. I am seeing PS4 totals output is  close to 3DS output.
I may be wrong or right. Let's wait and see.

The_Liquid_Laser said:

17m on one platform is not the same as 17m on two platforms.  I think you know better than this.

Regardless how you put it. It sold 17M. Last of us is a 17M seller. 
and btw you haven't answer my question. Why are we combining Pokemon Silver and Gold, X and Y, Sun and moon? 

KazumaKiryu said:
What do you think @ Spiderman-Game ? The september is coming!
More than 10 million units are possible in future ?

Highly likely. From what I see it is shaping up a great Spiderman game.

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NoCtiS_NoX said:
zorg1000 said:

So how do you figure its close to 3DS? 3DS is at 176 million, the top 4 on PS4 are at 28m which are much higher than other Sony games, 3DS is likely over double PS4.

I think you are misunderstanding my point here. 
3DS is what 8 years? and PS4 is 4 years and 9 months. Basically PS4 1st party games will still sell significantly as opposed to 3DS that it will not sell more significantly. 
With the 4 games I mention it's already doing 28M (known number/sold to customer)

Now how about we do this. Let's do some estimates. (shipped)

UC4 could be at 10.5M-11M
God of War 8M
HZD 8M
Last of us 8.5M
35M total 
These 4 are not yet done selling.

Now we have 
GTS 3.3M could end up at 5-6M
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-has-sold-around-3-3-million-copies-worldwide/

Drive club 2.5-3.5M 
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-08-03-driveclub-surpasses-2m-sales

Infamous could be at 3-4 Million 
https://www.polygon.com/2014/4/10/5600894/infamous-second-son-sales-1m-units-in-nine-days

Killzone shadow fall 3-4M
https://www.engadget.com/2014/01/29/killzone-shadow-fall-global-sales-top-2-1-million/

Bloodborne 3.5M-4.5M
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4s-bloodborne-sells-2-million/1100-6430572/

Detroit  might end up selling 5M LTD
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-06-12-detroit-become-human-is-the-fastest-quantic-dream-game-to-reach-one-million-sales
Heavy rain sold 5.3M across PS3/PS4 for comparison.
Heavy rain PS4 could be at 2M
Beyond two sould 1M

There are still more but I am getting tired of looking for more. 

And Sony has still heavy hitters that has yet to be released.
Last of us II, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima and Days Gone.
Then you also have Dreams could be a dark Horse, Small games like concrete Genie, We have Japan studios few gamesin the pipeline for the PS4.
It might not match  NInty's overall output for the 3DS but when PS4 is done. I am seeing PS4 totals output is  close to 3DS output.
I may be wrong or right. Let's wait and see.

The_Liquid_Laser said:

17m on one platform is not the same as 17m on two platforms.  I think you know better than this.

Regardless how you put it. It sold 17M. Last of us is a 17M seller. 
and btw you haven't answer my question. Why are we combining Pokemon Silver and Gold, X and Y, Sun and moon? 

KazumaKiryu said:
What do you think @ Spiderman-Game ? The september is coming!
More than 10 million units are possible in future ?

Highly likely. From what I see it is shaping up a great Spiderman game.

Sure they arent done selling and more are coming but at the same time not all of those 3DS games listed are up to date and doesnt include games that shipped less than 1 million in a single fiscal year.

If a game isnt in the top 10 or ship 1 million in a single fiscal year it does not get updated or show up at all. For example if a game ships 800k in the first year, 300k in the 2nd and 100k in the 3rd, it wouldnt ever show up in their fiscal reports. Or if a game does 1.7m in the 1st, 600k in the 2nd and 200k in the 3rd, it would not be updated higher than 1.7m unless it was in the top 10 of the system.

You are adding a couple million to each PS4 game after the last update but acting as if 3DS games just stopped selling years ago.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:

17m on one platform is not the same as 17m on two platforms.  I think you know better than this.

Regardless how you put it. It sold 17M. Last of us is a 17M seller. 
and btw you haven't answer my question. Why are we combining Pokemon Silver and Gold, X and Y, Sun and moon? 

 

A) You can call it a 17M seller if you want, but it's not "at Ninty level" if it can't do it on only one platform.

B) We combine Silver/Gold and the other Pokémon games because they are the same game on the same platform.

You don't seem to think that adding another platform matters.  It does in fact matter a lot.

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The_Liquid_Laser said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:                                 
 

Regardless how you put it. It sold 17M. Last of us is a 17M seller. 
and btw you haven't answer my question. Why are we combining Pokemon Silver and Gold, X and Y, Sun and moon? 

A) You can call it a 17M seller if you want, but it's not "at Ninty level" if it can't do it on only one platform.

B) We combine Silver/Gold and the other Pokémon games because they are the same game on the same platform.

You don't seem to think that adding another platform matters.  It does in fact matter a lot.

How are they they same game? It's two different versions of the same game. I know many Nintendo fans that go out and buy both copies of every pokemon game for collecting purposes. If Sony made God of War:Kratos and God of War:Atreus where its the same game, but it changes which character you play as, and it was sitting at 12 million instead of 8 million in sales, do you think there wouldn't be a contingent of people that would be saying the only reason sales are so high is because there's two different versions people can buy instead of one?



Conina said:
Qwark said:
Spiderman is up next to join that list, which is great for Insomniac too

Insomniac is first party?

Insomniac isn't 1st party (I wish they were), but the Spiderman IP is owned by Sony, I believe. Hence why it is shown as a PS4 exclusive......for now.



CartBlanche said:
Conina said:

Insomniac is first party?

Insomniac isn't 1st party (I wish they were), but the Spiderman IP is owned by Sony, I believe. Hence why it is shown as a PS4 exclusive......for now.

It'll stay a PS4 exclusive. This isn't timed. Sony is funding the development of this game.



Train wreck said:
routsounmanman said:
A huge point that many fail to acknowledge is that Sony HEAVILY bundles both their established and new IPs, to the point that it's rare to see a PS4 without a pack-in game.

So Sony is only doing an industry wide practice that has been part of the video game landscape since Atari 2600.

What do you say about the NES and Mario Bros./Duck Hunt and Wii with Wii sports?  I would love to hear your answer.

Huh? I did not imply they're doing something wrong with that. If anything, Nintendo SHOULD follow suit and bundle stuff like ARMS, Bayonetta, and other brand new or lesser known ip in order to make them grow. That's one thing that Sony absolutely murders Nintendo.

My point was that we see a huge growth in many Sony first party ips partly due to them being heavily bundled, a thing Nintendo has neglected to do since the Wii days.