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Forums - Sony Discussion - Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

zorg1000 said:

So how do you figure its close to 3DS? 3DS is at 176 million, the top 4 on PS4 are at 28m which are much higher than other Sony games, 3DS is likely over double PS4.

I think you are misunderstanding my point here. 
3DS is what 8 years? and PS4 is 4 years and 9 months. Basically PS4 1st party games will still sell significantly as opposed to 3DS that it will not sell more significantly. 
With the 4 games I mention it's already doing 28M (known number/sold to customer)

Now how about we do this. Let's do some estimates. (shipped)

UC4 could be at 10.5M-11M
God of War 8M
HZD 8M
Last of us 8.5M
35M total 
These 4 are not yet done selling.

Now we have 
GTS 3.3M could end up at 5-6M
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-has-sold-around-3-3-million-copies-worldwide/

Drive club 2.5-3.5M 
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-08-03-driveclub-surpasses-2m-sales

Infamous could be at 3-4 Million 
https://www.polygon.com/2014/4/10/5600894/infamous-second-son-sales-1m-units-in-nine-days

Killzone shadow fall 3-4M
https://www.engadget.com/2014/01/29/killzone-shadow-fall-global-sales-top-2-1-million/

Bloodborne 3.5M-4.5M
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4s-bloodborne-sells-2-million/1100-6430572/

Detroit  might end up selling 5M LTD
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-06-12-detroit-become-human-is-the-fastest-quantic-dream-game-to-reach-one-million-sales
Heavy rain sold 5.3M across PS3/PS4 for comparison.
Heavy rain PS4 could be at 2M
Beyond two sould 1M

There are still more but I am getting tired of looking for more. 

And Sony has still heavy hitters that has yet to be released.
Last of us II, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima and Days Gone.
Then you also have Dreams could be a dark Horse, Small games like concrete Genie, We have Japan studios few gamesin the pipeline for the PS4.
It might not match  NInty's overall output for the 3DS but when PS4 is done. I am seeing PS4 totals output is  close to 3DS output.
I may be wrong or right. Let's wait and see.

The_Liquid_Laser said:

17m on one platform is not the same as 17m on two platforms.  I think you know better than this.

Regardless how you put it. It sold 17M. Last of us is a 17M seller. 
and btw you haven't answer my question. Why are we combining Pokemon Silver and Gold, X and Y, Sun and moon? 

KazumaKiryu said:
What do you think @ Spiderman-Game ? The september is coming!
More than 10 million units are possible in future ?

Highly likely. From what I see it is shaping up a great Spiderman game.

Last edited by NoCtiS_NoX - on 15 August 2018

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NoCtiS_NoX said:
zorg1000 said:

So how do you figure its close to 3DS? 3DS is at 176 million, the top 4 on PS4 are at 28m which are much higher than other Sony games, 3DS is likely over double PS4.

I think you are misunderstanding my point here. 
3DS is what 8 years? and PS4 is 4 years and 9 months. Basically PS4 1st party games will still sell significantly as opposed to 3DS that it will not sell more significantly. 
With the 4 games I mention it's already doing 28M (known number/sold to customer)

Now how about we do this. Let's do some estimates. (shipped)

UC4 could be at 10.5M-11M
God of War 8M
HZD 8M
Last of us 8.5M
35M total 
These 4 are not yet done selling.

Now we have 
GTS 3.3M could end up at 5-6M
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-has-sold-around-3-3-million-copies-worldwide/

Drive club 2.5-3.5M 
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-08-03-driveclub-surpasses-2m-sales

Infamous could be at 3-4 Million 
https://www.polygon.com/2014/4/10/5600894/infamous-second-son-sales-1m-units-in-nine-days

Killzone shadow fall 3-4M
https://www.engadget.com/2014/01/29/killzone-shadow-fall-global-sales-top-2-1-million/

Bloodborne 3.5M-4.5M
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4s-bloodborne-sells-2-million/1100-6430572/

Detroit  might end up selling 5M LTD
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-06-12-detroit-become-human-is-the-fastest-quantic-dream-game-to-reach-one-million-sales
Heavy rain sold 5.3M across PS3/PS4 for comparison.
Heavy rain PS4 could be at 2M
Beyond two sould 1M

There are still more but I am getting tired of looking for more. 

And Sony has still heavy hitters that has yet to be released.
Last of us II, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima and Days Gone.
Then you also have Dreams could be a dark Horse, Small games like concrete Genie, We have Japan studios few gamesin the pipeline for the PS4.
It might not match  NInty's overall output for the 3DS but when PS4 is done. I am seeing PS4 totals output is  close to 3DS output.
I may be wrong or right. Let's wait and see.

The_Liquid_Laser said:

17m on one platform is not the same as 17m on two platforms.  I think you know better than this.

Regardless how you put it. It sold 17M. Last of us is a 17M seller. 
and btw you haven't answer my question. Why are we combining Pokemon Silver and Gold, X and Y, Sun and moon? 

KazumaKiryu said:
What do you think @ Spiderman-Game ? The september is coming!
More than 10 million units are possible in future ?

Highly likely. From what I see it is shaping up a great Spiderman game.

Sure they arent done selling and more are coming but at the same time not all of those 3DS games listed are up to date and doesnt include games that shipped less than 1 million in a single fiscal year.

If a game isnt in the top 10 or ship 1 million in a single fiscal year it does not get updated or show up at all. For example if a game ships 800k in the first year, 300k in the 2nd and 100k in the 3rd, it wouldnt ever show up in their fiscal reports. Or if a game does 1.7m in the 1st, 600k in the 2nd and 200k in the 3rd, it would not be updated higher than 1.7m unless it was in the top 10 of the system.

You are adding a couple million to each PS4 game after the last update but acting as if 3DS games just stopped selling years ago.



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NoCtiS_NoX said:                                 
 

The_Liquid_Laser said:

17m on one platform is not the same as 17m on two platforms.  I think you know better than this.

Regardless how you put it. It sold 17M. Last of us is a 17M seller. 
and btw you haven't answer my question. Why are we combining Pokemon Silver and Gold, X and Y, Sun and moon? 

 

A) You can call it a 17M seller if you want, but it's not "at Ninty level" if it can't do it on only one platform.

B) We combine Silver/Gold and the other Pokémon games because they are the same game on the same platform.

You don't seem to think that adding another platform matters.  It does in fact matter a lot.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 15 August 2018

The_Liquid_Laser said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:                                 
 

Regardless how you put it. It sold 17M. Last of us is a 17M seller. 
and btw you haven't answer my question. Why are we combining Pokemon Silver and Gold, X and Y, Sun and moon? 

A) You can call it a 17M seller if you want, but it's not "at Ninty level" if it can't do it on only one platform.

B) We combine Silver/Gold and the other Pokémon games because they are the same game on the same platform.

You don't seem to think that adding another platform matters.  It does in fact matter a lot.

How are they they same game? It's two different versions of the same game. I know many Nintendo fans that go out and buy both copies of every pokemon game for collecting purposes. If Sony made God of War:Kratos and God of War:Atreus where its the same game, but it changes which character you play as, and it was sitting at 12 million instead of 8 million in sales, do you think there wouldn't be a contingent of people that would be saying the only reason sales are so high is because there's two different versions people can buy instead of one?



Conina said:
Qwark said:
Spiderman is up next to join that list, which is great for Insomniac too

Insomniac is first party?

Insomniac isn't 1st party (I wish they were), but the Spiderman IP is owned by Sony, I believe. Hence why it is shown as a PS4 exclusive......for now.



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CartBlanche said:
Conina said:

Insomniac is first party?

Insomniac isn't 1st party (I wish they were), but the Spiderman IP is owned by Sony, I believe. Hence why it is shown as a PS4 exclusive......for now.

It'll stay a PS4 exclusive. This isn't timed. Sony is funding the development of this game.



Train wreck said:
routsounmanman said:
A huge point that many fail to acknowledge is that Sony HEAVILY bundles both their established and new IPs, to the point that it's rare to see a PS4 without a pack-in game.

So Sony is only doing an industry wide practice that has been part of the video game landscape since Atari 2600.

What do you say about the NES and Mario Bros./Duck Hunt and Wii with Wii sports?  I would love to hear your answer.

Huh? I did not imply they're doing something wrong with that. If anything, Nintendo SHOULD follow suit and bundle stuff like ARMS, Bayonetta, and other brand new or lesser known ip in order to make them grow. That's one thing that Sony absolutely murders Nintendo.

My point was that we see a huge growth in many Sony first party ips partly due to them being heavily bundled, a thing Nintendo has neglected to do since the Wii days.



routsounmanman said:
Train wreck said:

So Sony is only doing an industry wide practice that has been part of the video game landscape since Atari 2600.

What do you say about the NES and Mario Bros./Duck Hunt and Wii with Wii sports?  I would love to hear your answer.

Huh? I did not imply they're doing something wrong with that. If anything, Nintendo SHOULD follow suit and bundle stuff like ARMS, Bayonetta, and other brand new or lesser known ip in order to make them grow. That's one thing that Sony absolutely murders Nintendo.

My point was that we see a huge growth in many Sony first party ips partly due to them being heavily bundled, a thing Nintendo has neglected to do since the Wii days.

Was there a Wii U console sold that wasn't bundled with a game? I think maybe the cheaper version of the release consoles didn't? And how about the 3DS? There has been at least a dozen bundles over the years, packing in everything from Mario Kart to Zelda. Even the Switch has had bundled games. In fact, I personally got a Splatoon 2 bundle, with green and pink Joycons. There has also been a Mario Odyssey bundle.

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about.



potato_hamster said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

A) You can call it a 17M seller if you want, but it's not "at Ninty level" if it can't do it on only one platform.

B) We combine Silver/Gold and the other Pokémon games because they are the same game on the same platform.

You don't seem to think that adding another platform matters.  It does in fact matter a lot.

How are they they same game? It's two different versions of the same game. I know many Nintendo fans that go out and buy both copies of every pokemon game for collecting purposes. If Sony made God of War:Kratos and God of War:Atreus where its the same game, but it changes which character you play as, and it was sitting at 12 million instead of 8 million in sales, do you think there wouldn't be a contingent of people that would be saying the only reason sales are so high is because there's two different versions people can buy instead of one?

Well that contingent would be full of bullshit then, wouldn't they?



The_Liquid_Laser said:
potato_hamster said:

How are they they same game? It's two different versions of the same game. I know many Nintendo fans that go out and buy both copies of every pokemon game for collecting purposes. If Sony made God of War:Kratos and God of War:Atreus where its the same game, but it changes which character you play as, and it was sitting at 12 million instead of 8 million in sales, do you think there wouldn't be a contingent of people that would be saying the only reason sales are so high is because there's two different versions people can buy instead of one?

Well that contingent would be full of bullshit then, wouldn't they?

Why would they? It's a fact. Pokemon games DO sell higher because they release two versions of the game and there are a number of fans that buy both copies. That's undeniable. How much higher? I personally don't have any way of knowing, but it is noteworthy when factoring in Pokemon to any sales discussion.

Last edited by potato_hamster - on 15 August 2018