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RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

What? Rol once again didn't actually read and comprehend what I wrote correctly and once again demands I support claims I never actually wrote, and if I don't Rol will continue to not believe the things I say, even though he already doesn't believe most of the things I say because it doesn't fit narrative he's constructed for me in his head? Whatever should I do?

Ohh right. Nothing. Because I still don't care what you think, Rol. Not even a little bit.

Sorry, you have been busy with goalpost-moving in this thread in order to say that third party games don't sell well on Switch and I haven't read your most recent posts, so the discussion might have moved to something else.

This whole thread reminds me of the times when it was argued that third party games sell better on Vita than on 3DS and the only eligible games for measurement were those that sold better on Vita.

Anyway, have you made a coherent argument yet? If yes, what is it?

Nah. The posts are firmly planted right where I put them. If you actually read the conversation,  you'd know that the vast majority of the conversation has nothing to do with where I set the bar at all. If you want to read through my posts, you can. If you don't want to, I still don't care.




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Barkley said:
zorg1000 said:

You 100% said that Wii U support grew in year 2 then later used EA as an example.

He did say WiiU Support grew in the 2nd year, he never said EA's support for it grew in the second year. He only said EA supported the WiiU better in it's first 2 years than Switch in it's first 2 years.

The EA example was to support his claim that WiiU had better third party support than Switch, not supporting his claim that the WiiU's second year was better than the first.

At least that was my take on it.

Holy shit! Someone can read! Gold Sticker for you, good sir!

One exception. I'm not claiming that the Wii U had better third party support than Switch. That's obviously bullshit. Switch third party support is much better, it's just not great.



Barkley said:
zorg1000 said:

You 100% said that Wii U support grew in year 2 then later used EA as an example.

He did say WiiU Support grew in the 2nd year, he never said EA's support for it grew in the second year. He only said EA supported the WiiU better in it's first 2 years than Switch in it's first 2 years.

The EA example was to support his claim that WiiU had better third party support than Switch, not supporting his claim that the WiiU's second year was better than the first.

At least that was my take on it.

Both statements are wrong though.

The overall number of 3rd party games dropped in year 2 and EA support stopped on Wii U after 5 months while Switch is getting EA support 1.5 years after launch.

Regardless, using isolated examples doesnt make sense when talking about overall support. EA support has been lackluster, nobody will argue that but when the number of devs/pubs supporting Switch far outways the number that supported Wii U at this point in its life, finding one or two examples of the opposite makes no difference.



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RolStoppable said:
Barkley said:

He did say WiiU Support grew in the 2nd year, he never said EA's support for it grew in the second year. He only said EA supported the WiiU better in it's first 2 years than Switch in it's first 2 years.

The EA example was to support his claim that WiiU had better third party support than Switch, not supporting his claim that the WiiU's second year was better than the first.

At least that was my take on it.

Goalpost-moving and cherry-picking whatever comes to mind.

Nevermind that he is still wrong, because EA is supporting Switch better than Wii U. Wii U support was over after six months while Switch is getting its second FIFA this year. potato_hamster's argument can only work on the surface because he picked a two-year-cutoff. Once the third, fourth and fifth FIFA are coming, his argument won't work from any angle.

It's a good thing that wasn't my argument then. Are you enjoying arguing over a strawman you created yourself?

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potato_hamster said:
Barkley said:

He did say WiiU Support grew in the 2nd year, he never said EA's support for it grew in the second year. He only said EA supported the WiiU better in it's first 2 years than Switch in it's first 2 years.

The EA example was to support his claim that WiiU had better third party support than Switch, not supporting his claim that the WiiU's second year was better than the first.

At least that was my take on it.

Holy shit! Someone can read! Gold Sticker for you, good sir!

One exception. I'm not claiming that the Wii U had better third party support than Switch. That's obviously bullshit. Switch third party support is much better, it's just not great.

But you did claim support increased in year 2 which is false and you claimed EA support was better in the first 2 years but ignore that they stopped supporting it after 5 months.

EA supported Wii U better in the first 5 months but has supported Switch better in months 6-18. I guess it comes down to overall number of games vs length of support, which one do you think better shows if a dev/pub is happy with sales?



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RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

It's a good thing that wasn't my argument then. Are you enjoying arguing over a strawman you created yourself?

A mere minutes ago you confirmed to Barkley that he understood your argument correctly, but now that it has been debunked again, your argument is suddenly something else again?

I already asked you to present me with a coherent argument you made. You know what you've written, you know when you have written it, so spending a few seconds on copy-pasting something worthwhile is no biggie.

Learn to read, Rol.

I did not confirm that Barkley understood my argument correctly.

 

If you want my arguments you can read them yourself. You are not worth the effort nor do you deserve any special treatment.

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When talking about output from the top publishers (Activation, EA, Take Two, Deep Silver, Ubisoft, WB, Square Enix, Namco Bandi, Capcom, Sega, Konami) the Switch's 3rd party output has been sparse and pales in comparisons to the N64, Gamecube, Wii, 3DS DS and GBA so far.

If you just focus on indies then you can make the case, but you can also make the case for the Vita as well.



RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

Learn to read, Rol.

I did not confirm that Barkley understood my argument correctly.

If you want my arguments you can read them yourself. You are not worth the effort nor do you deserve any special treatment.

This is like the time when I said that Nintendo's IPs are much more valuable than Sega's and therefore Nintendo, unlike Sega, can turn a console into success with their games alone. You repeatedly responded in condescending manner and called it wishful thinking on my part despite ample evidence on this very site that supported my argument.

You simply can't handle the thought that Nintendo is successful, so you argue against it for the sake of arguing. Remember the huge argument where you were condescending to several Nintendo fans because they said that Switch would be Nintendo's only console as there wouldn't be a separate 3DS successor? You argued for pages that they can't be so sure about that, came up with one crazy reason after another and in the end admitted that you don't even believe yourself that there will be a separate 3DS successor.

So I have to ask this question: Do you sincerely believe that third party games are not selling well on Nintendo Switch?

Pst! Rol. I have a Switch. I have like 10 games for it. I have a pro controller for it. I've lost count of the number of times I've gotten an NES Classic or SNES Classic for myself or for as a gift for my friends and family. Why would I be upset that Nintendo is successful? I am supporting Nintendo directly and it benefits me to see them do well. I have spent more money on the last two years on Nintendo products than I have Sony, Microsoft and PC products combined. This whole narrative that I dislike Nintendo or want them to fail simply isn't true no matter how many times you assert that it is.

Also, based on the reading comprehension you've demonstrated in this thread, should it be a surprise to anyone that you're also misrepresenting previous arguments? I know you have the links to those comments documented somewhere.

You can ask whatever questions you like. I am not beholden to you to answer them. Besides the answer to that question is very clearly laid out over the course to this thread. Work on that reading comprehension and you might be able to figure it out.



RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

Pst! Rol. I have a Switch. I have like 10 games for it. I have a pro controller for it. I've lost count of the number of times I've gotten an NES Classic or SNES Classic for myself or for as a gift for my friends and family. Why would I be upset that Nintendo is successful? I am supporting Nintendo directly and it benefits me to see them do well. I have spent more money on the last two years on Nintendo products than I have Sony, Microsoft and PC products combined. This whole narrative that I dislike Nintendo or want them to fail simply isn't true no matter how many times you assert that it is.

Also, based on the reading comprehension you've demonstrated in this thread, should it be a surprise to anyone that you're also misrepresenting previous arguments? I know you have the links to those comments documented somewhere.

You can ask whatever questions you like. I am not beholden to you to answer them. Besides the answer to that question is very clearly laid out over the course to this thread. Work on that reading comprehension and you might be able to figure it out.

Alright. So it really was yet another case of you arguing for the sake of arguing without actually believing in the things you put forward.

Would you disagree if I said that the reason for your actions in this thread is that you despise Nintendo fans, and more specifically, Nintendo fans being right?

I also think its kind of funny he wont respond to any posts that actually prove his statements wrong.



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RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

Pst! Rol. I have a Switch. I have like 10 games for it. I have a pro controller for it. I've lost count of the number of times I've gotten an NES Classic or SNES Classic for myself or for as a gift for my friends and family. Why would I be upset that Nintendo is successful? I am supporting Nintendo directly and it benefits me to see them do well. I have spent more money on the last two years on Nintendo products than I have Sony, Microsoft and PC products combined. This whole narrative that I dislike Nintendo or want them to fail simply isn't true no matter how many times you assert that it is.

Also, based on the reading comprehension you've demonstrated in this thread, should it be a surprise to anyone that you're also misrepresenting previous arguments? I know you have the links to those comments documented somewhere.

You can ask whatever questions you like. I am not beholden to you to answer them. Besides the answer to that question is very clearly laid out over the course to this thread. Work on that reading comprehension and you might be able to figure it out.

Alright. So it really was yet another case of you arguing for the sake of arguing without actually believing in the things you put forward.

Would you disagree if I said that the reason for your actions in this thread is that you despise Nintendo fans, and more specifically, Nintendo fans being right?

So now you're just going to misrepresent what I wrote and treat is as fact, and then completely characterize me to boot.



Learn to Read, Rol.