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potato_hamster said:
RolStoppable said:

I'd like to see a list of those Activision and EA games for Wii U and Vita, plus a split into year 1 and 2.

Well it's a good thing you have the internet, and you can easily look these things up! Have fun!

It's probably time to stop posting buddy, nobody here takes you serious anymore. 

We get it, you like Playstation and don't like Nintendo, so nothing we say will ever convince you. 

If you want to believe the Vita gets better third party support than the Switch then that's just fine, but don't expect many people to take you seriously. 

Meanwhile I'll keep enjoying all these third party games that release on the Switch, whether they're AAA titles, indies, late ports or remasters. I don't discriminate, a good game is a good game. I've never played Okami before, so what do I care if it's a super late HD port?

 

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Vita had OK support at first, but Switch will get better as time goes on. The Japanese third parties are likely going to tip first, but Switch's sales in the West are very strong too, look at the recent Euro charts in UK, Spain, Germany ... Nintendo is starting to take over again grabbing top spots. In France, its just pure domination.

Switch will overtake Vita's 3rd party support, it probably actually has by far already, Nintendo just micromanages all major Switch announcements unfortunately, so we probably won't know about stuff for a bit.



Alkibiádēs said:
potato_hamster said:

Well it's a good thing you have the internet, and you can easily look these things up! Have fun!

It's probably time to stop posting buddy, nobody here takes you serious anymore. 

We get it, you like Playstation and don't like Nintendo, so nothing we say will ever convince you. 

If you want to believe the Vita gets better third party support than the Switch then that's just fine, but don't expect many people to take you seriously. 

Meanwhile I'll keep enjoying all these third party games that release on the Switch, whether they're AAA titles, indies, late ports or remasters. I don't discriminate, a good game is a good game. I've never played Okami before, so what do I care if it's a super late HD port?

lol. What? I don't care if you or Rol don't take me seriously. It's not like your opinions mean anything to me.

If you think I don't like Nintendo, you haven't been paying attention. Just because I've been critical of Nintendo's constant fuck ups over the past two decades, and refuse to buy into the notion that some of you subscribe to that had many if you believing that Nintendo and the games the make are damn near perfect doesn't mean I don't like most of their stuff. I've easily spent more hours over my life messing around on Nintendo Hardware over Playstation gear, so spare me the "fanboy" accusations.

Of course I don't believe the Vita had great third party support. It had terrible third party support! Yet in some meaningful ways, the support for the Vita was greater than the support for the Switch. What does that tell you about the Switch? If the PS4's notable third party games coming out or it in year two was as sparse as the Switches, you guys would be laughing at how sad third party support for the Playstation brand as gotten, and rightfully so! But on the Switch, that's something to be impressed by! Dark Souls! The Stick of Truth! FIFA 19! How much more could you possibly want? I can play all of those on my PS3!

It's such an embarrassingly low bar!

And guess what? I just picked up Kirby and Bayonetta for my Switch, and traded Pokken Tournament straight up for Mario Kart 8, so it looks like I'll keep using my switch and enjoying it as well.

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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

My standards are fine, you're just making things up, Wii U & Vita support was best in the first 12- 18 months and got worse after that.

At this point Wii U was just getting kid/family titles and ok indie support while Vita had carved out a niche for indies and small-medium Japanese titles.

I'm making things up? On what grounds?

"kid/family titles and ok indie support" that results in more third party game sales over the previous year is still an increase in third party support.
"indies and small-medium japanese titles" that results in more third party game sales over the previous year is still an increase in third party support.


Let's not forget that the world's biggest publisher, Activision/Blizzard has put out a total of two Switch games. EA, the second biggest publisher, will have put out its third Switch game when FIFA 19 comes out. Both of those companies supported the WIi U and Vita better in their first two years. In fact Activision/Blizzard put out 15 Wii U games it first two years, and EA put out six Vita games in its first two years.

You're just shifting the goalposts now so that "increase in third party support" only applies to the kind of games the Switch is getting.

On the grounds that support dropped significantly after the first year.

At bolded-I think you misunderstood what i meant about those Wii U/Vita games. I was pointing out that after the first year 3rd party support evaporated outside of specific types of games. This has not happened with Switch which is getting a pretty diverse range of games recently and on the horizon.

How many games did EA release on Wii U after the first 6 months? I cant think of any. You are missing the whole point i am making. Wii U/Vita support started out pretty strong but after about a year or two it dropped significantly and only recieved specific types of games.

No goal-post shifting on my part, the number of devs supporting Switch is increasing, the majortiy of devs that have released games on Switch are continuing to support it and the library is continuously getting more diverse. This is the exact opposite of Wii U & Vita, they both had strong support off the bat but as time went on many devs stopped supporting them and they only recieved games targeted to specific demographics.



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PSP actually had quite good third party support. Vita had OK support at the beginning but Nintendo really cut their legs off by taking away Monster Hunter.

If Switch can get PSP levels of support that's fine. This is not about a pissing contest with Sony/MS, those two companies must have 3rd party support just to survive, for Nintendo it's about building a broader software ecosystem where many developers can make some decent to great money.



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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

I'm making things up? On what grounds?

"kid/family titles and ok indie support" that results in more third party game sales over the previous year is still an increase in third party support.
"indies and small-medium japanese titles" that results in more third party game sales over the previous year is still an increase in third party support.


Let's not forget that the world's biggest publisher, Activision/Blizzard has put out a total of two Switch games. EA, the second biggest publisher, will have put out its third Switch game when FIFA 19 comes out. Both of those companies supported the WIi U and Vita better in their first two years. In fact Activision/Blizzard put out 15 Wii U games it first two years, and EA put out six Vita games in its first two years.

You're just shifting the goalposts now so that "increase in third party support" only applies to the kind of games the Switch is getting.

On the grounds that support dropped significantly after the first year.

At bolded-I think you misunderstood what i meant about those Wii U/Vita games. I was pointing out that after the first year 3rd party support evaporated outside of specific types of games. This has not happened with Switch which is getting a pretty diverse range of games recently and on the horizon.

How many games did EA release on Wii U after the first 6 months? I cant think of any. You are missing the whole point i am making. Wii U/Vita support started out pretty strong but after about a year or two it dropped significantly and only recieved specific types of games.

No goal-post shifting on my part, the number of devs supporting Switch is increasing, the majortiy of devs that have released games on Switch are continuing to support it and the library is continuously getting more diverse. This is the exact opposite of Wii U & Vita, they both had strong support off the bat but as time went on many devs stopped supporting them and they only recieved games targeted to specific demographics.

I'm sure when Rol looks up those numbers, you're going to be surprised. It appears your memory is not as strong as you think it is.

You can cheery pick and shift those posts all your want. I really don't care how low you set that bar.

Look, by the abysmally low standards that you're using to judge the Switch's third party support over its first two years, third party games are selling well on the Switch. Congratulations. Pat yourself on the back. Gold medal for your mental gymnastics routine.

Happy?



Soundwave said:
PSP actually had quite good third party support. Vita had OK support at the beginning but Nintendo really cut their legs off by taking away Monster Hunter.

If Switch can get PSP levels of support that's fine. This is not about a pissing contest with Sony/MS, those two companies must have 3rd party support just to survive, for Nintendo it's about building a broader software ecosystem where many developers can make some decent to great money.

Ya PSP got really good support from Japan and the West. If the indie scene was bigger back then im sure PSP would have gotten strong support from them as well.



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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

On the grounds that support dropped significantly after the first year.

At bolded-I think you misunderstood what i meant about those Wii U/Vita games. I was pointing out that after the first year 3rd party support evaporated outside of specific types of games. This has not happened with Switch which is getting a pretty diverse range of games recently and on the horizon.

How many games did EA release on Wii U after the first 6 months? I cant think of any. You are missing the whole point i am making. Wii U/Vita support started out pretty strong but after about a year or two it dropped significantly and only recieved specific types of games.

No goal-post shifting on my part, the number of devs supporting Switch is increasing, the majortiy of devs that have released games on Switch are continuing to support it and the library is continuously getting more diverse. This is the exact opposite of Wii U & Vita, they both had strong support off the bat but as time went on many devs stopped supporting them and they only recieved games targeted to specific demographics.

I'm sure when Rol looks up those numbers, you're going to be surprised. It appears your memory is not as strong as you think it is.

You can cheery pick and shift those posts all your want. I really don't care how low you set that bar.

Look, by the abysmally low standards that you're using to judge the Switch's third party support over its first two years, third party games are selling well on the Switch. Congratulations. Pat yourself on the back. Gold medal for your mental gymnastics routine.

Happy?

After the Wii U and pre-Pokemon Go it even looked like the 3DS was losing a lot to smartphones ... I mean it's not really shocking Switch would not be given the benefit of the doubt. 

It's establishing its own identity and track record for success though. Better support will come as developers study the sales and see 1.) you have a platform selling as fast as the PS4 2.) it has a majority adult userbase 3.) that userbase is buying a lot of games and it's not just all Mario 4.) It's not selling on the back of casuals. 



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

On the grounds that support dropped significantly after the first year.

At bolded-I think you misunderstood what i meant about those Wii U/Vita games. I was pointing out that after the first year 3rd party support evaporated outside of specific types of games. This has not happened with Switch which is getting a pretty diverse range of games recently and on the horizon.

How many games did EA release on Wii U after the first 6 months? I cant think of any. You are missing the whole point i am making. Wii U/Vita support started out pretty strong but after about a year or two it dropped significantly and only recieved specific types of games.

No goal-post shifting on my part, the number of devs supporting Switch is increasing, the majortiy of devs that have released games on Switch are continuing to support it and the library is continuously getting more diverse. This is the exact opposite of Wii U & Vita, they both had strong support off the bat but as time went on many devs stopped supporting them and they only recieved games targeted to specific demographics.

I'm sure when Rol looks up those numbers, you're going to be surprised. It appears your memory is not as strong as you think it is.

You can cheery pick and shift those posts all your want. I really don't care how low you set that bar.

Look, by the abysmally low standards that you're using to judge the Switch's third party support over its first two years, third party games are selling well on the Switch. Congratulations. Pat yourself on the back. Gold medal for your mental gymnastics routine.

Happy?

Im not sure if someone else said something to piss you off but i dont see any reason why you are being so condescending towards me.

My memory is not wrong, especially when it comes to Wii U, support was solid from launch through 2013 (13 months) but after that most major publishers dropped support outside of kid/family titles. This means that games outside of kid/family titles did not sell well enough to continue releasing.

Again, im not changing goalposts, could you point out which thing i said is changing goalposts?

What ive been saying this entire time is that Switch supporting is growing from a wide variety of different types of games (indie, Japanese, western, kid/family, mature) which means that in general 3rd party games are doing well otherwise we would start to see support drying up like it was on Wii U by this point.

The support Switch is getting 1.5-2 years after launch is significantly better than the support Wii U was getting at the same point.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

So have people posted facts yet?