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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 14 July 2018

Bofferbrauer2 said:
curl-6 said:

I was talking global sales, as in with VGC's next set of numbers of the week ending 21st of July, I expect PS4 to be back on top. As far as NPD goes, I'll believe it when I see it.

Well, what the PS4 wins in Europe, it's losing in Japan again. US are pretty much determining right now who wins the week.

Good point. Still though, Switch took this week on the strength of a breakout hit in Octopath, next week it won't have a significant new release to boost hardware sales.



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That's nice. It became a bit boring with the usual order.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
zorg1000 said:

I dont think Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo care enough about rankings to do price cuts simply because the other is selling slightly more.

Agree. Not to mention that rushing a price cut intead of doing it when originally planned considering a longer term and wider scope, is always seen as a sign of weakness. NS is strong and getting stronger, but Sony needs to launch PS5 not earlier than in 2020 if it wants it to be not just powerful and cheap, but also with the possibility to include a hybrid version if the gamers and devs, thanks to Ninty showing the way, will make clear they absolutely want it (while GPU cores of a hybrid can scale down, at least when undocked, the CPU must provide almost the same computing power, only some optional services can be disabled when undocked, so tech will need to advance enough to produce mobile CPU cores that deliver a large enough performance leap from PS4 even on the home version, and this, if even possible, wouldn't be cheap earlier than 2020), so Sony needs to play the price cut card with an at least two years plan in mind. Also, Sony doesn't want a price war with Ninty, for at least three reasons, first, it would hurt profits, second, competing in three makes Microsoft less dangerous and third, Ninty, despite blunders like Wii U, keeps on showing it can still show the way to go in console gaming, and maybe this time more than ever, as finding a way portables can survive mobile attack is a thing that many didn't consider possible, until Ninty showed it.

I don’t think anyone but Nintendo is interesting in handheld gaming. It is in their interest to keep it alive or else they lose Japan which accounts for 25% of their hardware sales.



Lawlight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Agree. Not to mention that rushing a price cut intead of doing it when originally planned considering a longer term and wider scope, is always seen as a sign of weakness. NS is strong and getting stronger, but Sony needs to launch PS5 not earlier than in 2020 if it wants it to be not just powerful and cheap, but also with the possibility to include a hybrid version if the gamers and devs, thanks to Ninty showing the way, will make clear they absolutely want it (while GPU cores of a hybrid can scale down, at least when undocked, the CPU must provide almost the same computing power, only some optional services can be disabled when undocked, so tech will need to advance enough to produce mobile CPU cores that deliver a large enough performance leap from PS4 even on the home version, and this, if even possible, wouldn't be cheap earlier than 2020), so Sony needs to play the price cut card with an at least two years plan in mind. Also, Sony doesn't want a price war with Ninty, for at least three reasons, first, it would hurt profits, second, competing in three makes Microsoft less dangerous and third, Ninty, despite blunders like Wii U, keeps on showing it can still show the way to go in console gaming, and maybe this time more than ever, as finding a way portables can survive mobile attack is a thing that many didn't consider possible, until Ninty showed it.

I don’t think anyone but Nintendo is interesting in handheld gaming. It is in their interest to keep it alive or else they lose Japan which accounts for 25% of their hardware sales.

But just like the hybrid brilliantly solves Ninty problem to keep portables as healthy as possible injecting in them some additional selling power from home consoles, and even more from being, well, a hybrid, it could also solve MS and Sony problem of not being even remotely as good as Ninty to understand the portable market and so, after PSP, not having anymore a portable market with potential sales that could justify production by itself, but that could still be an attractive supplement to sales of home consoles. A hybrid is a brilliant idea, because while currently it can work well for a mainly portable-focused console maker like Nintento, in two or three years CPU tech advancements will make it viable also for mainly home console ones.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Lawlight said:

I don’t think anyone but Nintendo is interesting in handheld gaming. It is in their interest to keep it alive or else they lose Japan which accounts for 25% of their hardware sales.

But just like the hybrid brilliantly solves Ninty problem to keep portables as healthy as possible injecting in them some additional selling power from home consoles, and even more from being, well, a hybrid, it could also solve MS and Sony problem of not being even remotely as good as Ninty to understand the portable market and so, after PSP, not having anymore a portable market with potential sales that could justify production by itself, but that could still be an attractive supplement to sales of home consoles. A hybrid is a brilliant idea, because while currently it can work well for a mainly portable-focused console maker like Nintento, in two or three years CPU tech advancements will make it viable also for mainly home console ones.

The portable market is dead outside of Japan so why do Sony and MS need to understand that market? CPU might make advancements but battery technology won’t. As games advance in terms of requirements, handheld mode will be left behind. It already cannot run games that came out 3 years ago.



curl-6 said:

I think this Switch lead will be short lived, maybe even just this one week, as they don't have a significant system seller for the next 4 months until Let's Go in November. 

Why is everyone sleeping on Super Mario Party? First on Switch and first in forever to go back to the classic style. Looking at series history, it could sell millions.



Medisti said:
curl-6 said:

I think this Switch lead will be short lived, maybe even just this one week, as they don't have a significant system seller for the next 4 months until Let's Go in November. 

Why is everyone sleeping on Super Mario Party? First on Switch and first in forever to go back to the classic style. Looking at series history, it could sell millions.

Super Mario Party will sell tons... of software. Hardware wise I don't think it's the kind of game that compels the purchase of a $300 console.



Medisti said:
curl-6 said:

I think this Switch lead will be short lived, maybe even just this one week, as they don't have a significant system seller for the next 4 months until Let's Go in November. 

Why is everyone sleeping on Super Mario Party? First on Switch and first in forever to go back to the classic style. Looking at series history, it could sell millions.

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curl-6 said:
Medisti said:

Why is everyone sleeping on Super Mario Party? First on Switch and first in forever to go back to the classic style. Looking at series history, it could sell millions.

Super Mario Party will sell tons... of software. Hardware wise I don't think it's the kind of game that compels the purchase of a $300 console.

Some would have said the same about Octopath Traveler and Captain Toad, yet the Switch sales went up.