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o_O.Q on 07 August 2018
irstupid said:
Hiku said:

Just so people are aware of how Alex Jones violated Youtube policies (aside from hate speech or harassment, etc), Alex Jones was suspended from Livestreaming on Youtube for 90 days. He can try to appeal his case with Youtube if he wants during those 90 days, but he is not allowed to stream. And Youtube have rules in place to pervent larger channels from circumventing this by for example live streaming on a different account... which is exactly what Alex Jones did.

He live streamed from a different account. And Youtube delete your channel if you do things like this.

1.) So if I start a private company and host user uploaded videos, if my company grows to a certain size, I should be forced to host certain videos?
And who would force me to do this/enforce this? The government?

You're also not addressing the fact that Infowars were banned for violating terms of service agreements. I posted one example above.
I can't upload a video containing copyright material, or a video of someone getting lynched, without it getting taken down, or my channel getting deleted.
I agree to this when I sign up on Youtube.

2.) Anti discrimination laws (in regards to race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information), apply to the workplace. If they didn't, we'd still have restaurants with "No black people allowed" signs outside.
And even if Youtube is a privately owned business, they're not allowed to say "No black people are allowed to host videos on our site". Get it?

So no, it's not the same.
The difference is these people didn't break any general rules of conduct, like Infowars did. They were simply denied because of their skincolor, or who they love, etc.
On top of that, even a privately owned restaurant (usually) is on land that the government allows private citizens to have so that they can serve their community.

It's a slipery slope.

I have a friend who was a bouncer at a bar and he said they refused to let anyone in who for instance had a baseball cap on backwards. Couldn't even just turn it around or take it off, you were pegged and until they forgot about you, you would be refused entry. They did that because people who wore their hat backwards were more likely to cause trouble at the bar. 

I'm sure you wouldn't have to search very far to find someone on the internet that would claim that doing so is racists.

So is the bar wrong for having a guideline about no backwards hats? Who decides what youtube/facebook/ect deems as inappropriate speech? The world has become so partisan/party affiliated that you will have the same people defending Rosseane attack Gunn, and vise versa solely because said person they deems as on "their side". Who determines what someone says on the internet is a joke, or not. Or is a hypothetical or not? 

i can't speak for anyone else but i do think businesses should be allowed to discriminate on whatever criteria they want, including race

i think discrimination laws, hate speech laws etc etc etc should all be thrown in the bin

for one thing, they don't actually change the views of the people they are pushed on (and there's loads of evidence that they actually make things worse)



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PwerlvlAmy on 07 August 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Free speech only matters when it aligns with your own personal view. That's what its become now basically.

That's a pretty intellectually lazy point of view. 

But its the truth. 



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pokoko on 07 August 2018

I'm still amazed that there are people who do not understand that free speech does not apply to private forums.

The first stop of anyone defending Alex Jones should be to discuss why the things Alex Jones is accused of doing do not deserve the punishment that has been handed out. However, I've yet to see any of his defenders in this thread make a case whatsoever.

Honestly, the guy needs to reclassify as entertainment. It's just mind boggling that anyone takes him seriously. This is the guy that hinted Obama was actually a demon. A DEMON.



VAMatt on 07 August 2018

Alex Jones is a POS. Nevertheless, he has a right to say whatever he wants. Likewise, the platform owners have the right to tell him to fuck off. I'd prefer that they allow him the same access that they allow almost every other POS on the planet. But, I support their right not to.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 07 August 2018
TranceformerFX said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I mean, you could say it's censorship. It's just not censorship of free speech guaranteed by the government, since all those sites are privately owned. 

Wrong. You can buy stock from Apple and Facebook. What the hell are you taking about?

Lol, I guess you have never experienced how the term is used quite often in casual discourse? Jeez...



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 07 August 2018
PwerlvlAmy said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

That's a pretty intellectually lazy point of view. 

But its the truth. 

What does that even mean? It's "the truth"? That's a blanket statement. Is it true for some people? Yeah, probably. Is it true for all people discussing the issue? Not even close. 



Pemalite on 07 August 2018

Free speech has never entitled you to say whatever you desire without restriction, compromise or consequence anyway.

Personally I believe that anyone who propagates fake news, conspiracy theories and the like should be shut down, regardless of who it is... Left or Right wing. - But... It should also be done in a a more transparent manner, like a tribunal where these outlets can defend themselves with empirical evidence.

Left Wing outlets like "The Young Turks" should also be heavily scrutinized.



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PwerlvlAmy on 07 August 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

But its the truth. 

What does that even mean? It's "the truth"? That's a blanket statement. Is it true for some people? Yeah, probably. Is it true for all people discussing the issue? Not even close. 

The thread alone proves what I said is the truth. Not a blanket statement at all.  I agree with the consensus that Jones is a moron, but people agreeing with him being shut down/silenced/censored because they don't like him or his view points proves exactly what I said earlier. Free speech only applies to people that agree with that persons view point. Evidence has been presented here of exactly that. 



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Peh on 07 August 2018

Good news. Now throw out the flat earth society as well.



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vivster on 07 August 2018

Wait, you're telling me he was still on there?

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Aren't you the guy championing the free market? You should be celebrating Apple, Google and Facebook for exercising their god given rights.



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