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SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

If ban for spouting non-sense about public people is good, why only happening in mass for one side of the field?

My guess would be the danger each side poses.  I don't think anyone has been assaulted because of a report by The Young Turks.  One Sandy Hook family has had to move 6 or 7 times and the whole Pizzagate incident were all because of Alex Jones and Info Wars.  A police officer in Indiana was killed by Jones fans who posted they were inspired by him to do it. He advocates for a second civil war.  He's called for the FBI to snipe Obama and Clinton.  He's asked the military to physically round up the left with extreme force. He said Sanders supporters should have their jaws broken. He suggested that someone should put bullets into Wolf Blitzer's head.  He told Trump to go on the offense and physically harm his opponents.

 

But you  know....professing socialism, or something, is apparently just as bad.

BLM have certainly caused a lot of violence and damage. Are they banned? I see more they going to TV and defend their point than they losing platforms.

Several of the pages from left wing in Brazil defend violence against police, death to a political oponent, kill middle class, etc. None of them were banned from these platforms. Or in this case you'll see they aren't really endangering anyone?

pokoko said:
DonFerrari said: 

If ban for spouting non-sense about public people is good, why only happening in mass for one side of the field?

I never said he should be banned for it, though?

So are you against his banning and think these companies are acting backwards to what the propose as being public spaces with freedom of speech? From your posts I couldn't see that.

irstupid said:
chapset said:
The free market has spoken, I don't know why rightwings would be mad about that

The free market is people not listening to him by their own choice, not that choice being taken away from them.

The free market is people not going to the next Guardians of the Galaxy movie due to the directors tweets, not him being fired. Or going to the movie cause they don't care about his "jokes" 5 years ago.

The free market is people quit watching Roseanne due to her tweet, not her show being cancelled. Or people continuing to watch the show because people don't care about her "joke" on twitter.

The free market is people quit shopping at a bakery because it refused to sell to a gay couple. Or people still shopping at that bakery because they support that bakeries decision or don't care.

That is the free market working. The free market is NOT people being fired, stores being forcibly closed or people being banned. If I walk into work today and give my boss the middle finger and I get fired, that is not an example of the free market.

God forbid you discriminate some minority because that would be free market.

And some here think that free market is big conglomerates bending to SJW and some ruckus.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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numberwang said:

Where are the advocates for a free and open internet now?

Alexander Emric Jones aka Alex Jones the Infowarrior has been banned from nearly all important media platforms in a coordinated strike on the same day.

Facebook, Apple, YouTube and Spotify ban Infowars' Alex Jones

All but one of the major content platforms have banned the American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, as the companies raced to act in the wake of Apple’s decision to remove five podcasts by Jones and his Infowars website.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/06/apple-removes-podcasts-infowars-alex-jones

Remember when the scam called net neutrality (government FCC control over the internet) was preached by Google, YouTube, Apple to guarantee a free internet for all?

I predict that supporters of net neutrality are going to defend this.



Explain to me what this has to do with a free and open internet? They had accounts on privately owned sites, of course the owners can shut their accounts down if they want to. This isn't even related to the issue of net Neutrality. 



DonFerrari said:
Took a single reply to have someone defending it kkkkk.

In Brazil the left wing also was defending a similar system. Facebook obviously had it interest in it as well.

Couple weeks ago FB banned hundred pages and profiles of right wing posters under a "hunt on fakenews", not a single left winged person or page was take down. But the left wing swears there was no bias on FB action.

So you mean private companies should be forced by the government to keep accounts of people that break the regulations the company have set up for having accounts? 



We should start reporting Quran videos uploaded on YouTube for violating hate speech rules. Let's see how that goes.



Puppyroach said:
DonFerrari said:
Took a single reply to have someone defending it kkkkk.

In Brazil the left wing also was defending a similar system. Facebook obviously had it interest in it as well.

Couple weeks ago FB banned hundred pages and profiles of right wing posters under a "hunt on fakenews", not a single left winged person or page was take down. But the left wing swears there was no bias on FB action.

So you mean private companies should be forced by the government to keep accounts of people that break the regulations the company have set up for having accounts? 

Where did you took that?

I'm complaining about those companies behavior, not asking for government intervention.

What I also said is that Brazilian law prevents political prosecution so they demanded explanation from FB for the behavior of multi ban on a single side of the spectrum.

Another funny part is that a woman had a fake account of her created to propagate bad things, she is suing FB because FB denies permission to remove her account because the creation of account doesn't violate their TOS and also that it would be against the law in Brazil (they are actually going two opposite side of law in the 2 cases).

LurkerJ said:
We should start reporting Quran videos uploaded on YouTube for violating hate speech content. Let's see how that goes.

You islamophobe.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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TallSilhouette said:
Vinther1991 said:

I hate, hate, hate Alex Jones and his conspiracy crap and lies. That being said, this was a huge mistake by these companies. He should have the right to express his stupid opinions on their platforms. I fear they have only made him more dangerous now. 

In addition. "Net Neutrality" has nothing to do with what media platforms on the Internet do. It's about ISP infrastructure management. So, for example, an ISP doesn't have the right to block people from accessing youtube or Netflix or charging extra fees to unlock various services; basically, an ISP's job is to grant users access to the Internet as a whole, not pieces of the Internet. It has nothing to do with platforms banning users for posting content that breaks their terms of service, and it has nothing to do with law enforcement taking down illegal/copyrighted content.

Companies like Netflix and Youtube are perfectly within their rights to charge extra money for extra services or kick off whoever they want from their platforms. They have a terms of service agreement which, if followed, will not result in a ban. It is similar to the Forum Rules here - if you troll, you get banned. Alex Jones repeatedly violated the agreement, and for whatever reason, they kept him on; however, once people began complaining about the harassment the parents of murdered children got from his audience, these platforms finally decided to stop allowing his TOS violations and banned him. The reality is, they should have done it much sooner.

People are attempting to spin this into "He's right wing and that's why they banned him." because they want to play the right-wing victim card. If they were banning people for being right-wing, then all right-wing channels would be banned, not just those with repeated TOS violations. You can be right wing without violating the terms of service. To use these forums as an example, if someone decided to spout out a bunch of anti-Semitic hate speech and eventually got banned: that the user was banned for violating TOS, it would be ridiculous to suggest the user was banned because the moderators are part of a pro-Zionist Israeli conservative effort to control the media.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

DonFerrari said: 
pokoko said:

I never said he should be banned for it, though?

So are you against his banning and think these companies are acting backwards to what the propose as being public spaces with freedom of speech? From your posts I couldn't see that.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

First, I never said Alex Jones should be banned for saying Obama is a demon.  

This is the paragraph where I mentioned that:  "Honestly, the guy needs to reclassify as entertainment. It's just mind boggling that anyone takes him seriously. This is the guy that hinted Obama was actually a demon. A DEMON."  Do you see me calling for a ban over that anywhere in that paragraph?  Stop trying to twist that.  That's dishonest.

As for "freedom of speech," I don't really understand what you are trying to say.  Are you suggesting the government should decide what private sector businesses show as content via regulation?  If so, then I think that is a terrible idea.  No conservative should ever support that.

Regarding his ban, I don't know why he got banned.  If he violated their TOS then the ban was earned.  If he did not violate their TOS then I would not support their decision.  However, so far I haven't seen anyone defending him try to make a case that he did not violate TOS restrictions.  Are you claiming that he did not?



SpokenTruth said:
irstupid said:

The free market is people not listening to him by their own choice, not that choice being taken away from them.

The free market is people not going to the next Guardians of the Galaxy movie due to the directors tweets, not him being fired. Or going to the movie cause they don't care about his "jokes" 5 years ago.

The free market is people quit watching Roseanne due to her tweet, not her show being cancelled. Or people continuing to watch the show because people don't care about her "joke" on twitter.

The free market is people quit shopping at a bakery because it refused to sell to a gay couple. Or people still shopping at that bakery because they support that bakeries decision or don't care.

That is the free market working. The free market is NOT people being fired, stores being forcibly closed or people being banned. If I walk into work today and give my boss the middle finger and I get fired, that is not an example of the free market.

No, the free market is a private enterprise creating and enforcing their own policies.

Technically a free market is a system that doesn't employ government controls and regulations.

The free market is absolutely nothing you just said.

NO.

The free market is all 100% about market prices and how supply and demand dictate economy prices without government intervention in regulating the market.

I know you love to look up Wikipedia, so go ahead and do so. You will find that I am correct.

Thus as I said, the free market would put those people out business if what they did truly offended people. People would quit listening to Alex Jones and he would make no money talking online and thus no longer do it. The bakery would have no customers and thus make no money and go out of business. No one would watch rosseane and the company thus would make no advertising dollars and pull the show.

Again, all ECONOMICS related with no government regulations. That is the free market.

Just as the government coming and regulating how much a company can charge goes against the free market, a company firing someone or banning someone for their own single policy is against free market. Free market is solely determined by the consumers. If consumers want the product and consume, then the free market dictates what the price of said product is. If there is no demand, there is no more supply.



Nothing of importance was lost.



                            

SpokenTruth said:
irstupid said:

NO.

The free market is all 100% about market prices and how supply and demand dictate economy prices without government intervention in regulating the market.

I know you love to look up Wikipedia, so go ahead and do so. You will find that I am correct.

Thus as I said, the free market would put those people out business if what they did truly offended people. People would quit listening to Alex Jones and he would make no money talking online and thus no longer do it. The bakery would have no customers and thus make no money and go out of business. No one would watch rosseane and the company thus would make no advertising dollars and pull the show.

Again, all ECONOMICS related with no government regulations. That is the free market.

Just as the government coming and regulating how much a company can charge goes against the free market, a company firing someone or banning someone for their own single policy is against free market. Free market is solely determined by the consumers. If consumers want the product and consume, then the free market dictates what the price of said product is. If there is no demand, there is no more supply.

Lol.  Which was pulled from Investopedia. 

And you keep talking from a government intervention stand point.  Not a private unregulated entity stand point.  Learn the difference.

Doesn't matter if government is not involved or not. The whole point of Free market is that competition dictates how much something sells for.

It has absolutely nothing to do with a company able to ban anyone they want or fire anyone they want.