Of course you should follow your dreams. You just shouldn't follow them blindly, ignoring all sense.
Of course you should follow your dreams. You just shouldn't follow them blindly, ignoring all sense.
DélioPT said:
Honestly, that's not how i have seen people say it. I really can't remembre it being said in another way - a way that implies that you can achieve it all. |
And have you ever heard anyone saying follow your dream with cautionary counters? If you don't limit the follow your dream then it really falls down on it will happen.
Paperboy_J said: I disagree. I think you should follow your dreams, just have a Plan B in case it doesn't work out. Work on your craft and improve your skills. Then maybe one day that big break you've been waiting for will come along. And you'll be ready for it, instead of kicking yourself wishing you had worked more on improving your skills. |
Perhaps you should read the OP. He puts very clearly that if you are passionate about something but isn't good enough or can't provide you money, do it as a hobby.
Paperboy_J said:
What about Rock Lee? He had no talent whatsoever and still became a mighty warrior through sheer hard work and effort! |
I love hard working and superation examples in Manga (and real life) just as the next guy, but using manga examples to show that hard work, works is silly =p
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
I agree that this sentiment is foolhardy, but only because we have an incorrect focus when we talk about "dreams." The real thing people should do is follow what they are both good at enjoy. Then success shouldn't be so far off, because they will have the skill which they can nurture further through their enthusiasm.
I think happiness is an idea we can all strive for, so if anything (yes, even depressives can find ways through therapy and medication, etc), that's the dream we should be following. It will take work, and it might not be glamorous, but if we tap into what makes each of us special, whether we're really good at athletics or really good at cleaning, we can make a living out of it and enjoy the fruits of our labor.
But people have to reign in their expectations of those fruits just like they should be realistic about their "dreams." It takes work, and not everyone will be a millionaire dating models, so if we learn to be content with less, happiness isn't out of the question.
Okay, done be Confucius.
EricHiggin said:
It's not just about how it's said, it's where and when as well. Not always, but quite often, it's on the red carpet or on a stage, part of some big time event, looked upon as a major achievement, where people's minds can be misguided into thinking what they are hearing, as well as what they are seeing, are directly linked. This is a problem. All it would take is another sentence to make it perfectly clear, but that could lead to the initial phrase losing it's glorified meaning. Some people can read between the lines, due to their intelligence or life experience, but many cannot. This is why it's important that people (kids) are taught to think outside the box, like questioning things that don't make complete sense, and not simply eating what they are fed. You don't need to "bite the hand that feeds you", but you should immediately be asking what's in the food if it doesn't taste right. |
First, those situations are the exceptions, not the rule. And it doesn't seem fair to judge the basis or consequences of an advice based on exceptions.
What you said can be said for just about anything.
There will always be people who will think things will just come easy - even without such an advice.
That's why i think that telling people to follow your dreams isn't a bad thing to say, despite some people reading it the wrong way.
I understand that sometimes that phrase has a "glorified meaning", but again, it's not the rule. And reading too much that way makes you forget of the good that comes with people saying that.
DonFerrari said:
And have you ever heard anyone saying follow your dream with cautionary counters? If you don't limit the follow your dream then it really falls down on it will happen.
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Do you think that when people give an advice or offer a suggestion, it makes sense for that person to cover all the things that might go wrong/not work?
The advice in itself, is simple and, again, you can't stop people from reading it wrong even if you say "follow your dreams, but…"
As i said above, those that say it as if following your dreams is easy, are the execptions and that shouldn't stop us from using it or supporting it because of the possible negative effects.
bugrimmar said:
I don't think so. Anything that requires a high level of skill can't be done by just anybody. Even something like carpentry requires you to be handy. Not everything can be learned even if you put a lot of effort into it. |
That can be true for some but not everyone. The way I see things is that it's better to greet things with a sense of optimism(not the delusional kind). Being fatalistic at the start kills every potential for growth.
Time and time again, we see people who started from literally nothing to become something. Our ancestors brought us here by following their dreams or ambitions. So therefore there's nothing wrong with the notion.
Also without even gambling anything just to achieve a dream, nothing will happen. One individual who gambles might fail, and may die doing so. However someone might learn from their mistakes and make something of it. In most cases, we don't want to be the latter just because we want gratification.
Last edited by iron_megalith - on 11 August 2018what about "Embrace your dreams" ?
DélioPT said:
First, those situations are the exceptions, not the rule. And it doesn't seem fair to judge the basis or consequences of an advice based on exceptions. What you said can be said for just about anything. I understand that sometimes that phrase has a "glorified meaning", but again, it's not the rule. And reading too much that way makes you forget of the good that comes with people saying that. |
What is the specific rule then? I, as well as many of my friends, were taught that if we followed our dreams, based on what they were, we were most likely going to end up poor, and I don't disagree now. So we were taught to try and find something we liked as much as possible, but that paid an honest wage and required an honest day's work. I know the reason our parents taught us this, was because it's either what their parents taught them, or from experience. So were we all taught wrong, or is this specific dreams rule non existent, considering with certain people in certain situations, it leads to fame and fortune?
It's like saying I think nuclear stuff is good, period. Many people would disagree immediately because they would think of nuclear bombs or nuclear waste. If I elaborated, and said the nuclear family for example, or even nuclear power, considering it's not just a small amount of waste that can be contained, but useful electricity that doesn't pollute the air, and is what powers all large modern military water based vessels, etc, then the response would be very different.
"Follow your dreams" is way to open ended of a statement to expect people to know what that should or shouldn't mean exactly. They will look for context, and when they see the glitz and glam and glorification of where that statement is usually coming from, they will get a mostly false impression. Sure, it's not entirely up to the speaker to justify themselves, your parents and teachers should make it clear as well, but everyone has their own point of view, even yourself, so a worthwhile attempt should always be made, if you really have the best intentions, and that's rarely ever the case when it comes from a screen.
Last edited by EricHiggin - on 12 August 2018danasider said: I agree that this sentiment is foolhardy, but only because we have an incorrect focus when we talk about "dreams." The real thing people should do is follow what they are both good at enjoy. Then success shouldn't be so far off, because they will have the skill which they can nurture further through their enthusiasm. I think happiness is an idea we can all strive for, so if anything (yes, even depressives can find ways through therapy and medication, etc), that's the dream we should be following. It will take work, and it might not be glamorous, but if we tap into what makes each of us special, whether we're really good at athletics or really good at cleaning, we can make a living out of it and enjoy the fruits of our labor. But people have to reign in their expectations of those fruits just like they should be realistic about their "dreams." It takes work, and not everyone will be a millionaire dating models, so if we learn to be content with less, happiness isn't out of the question. Okay, done be Confucius. |
Yep that is a much better advice
"Find something you are good at and make you happy and put the effort"
DélioPT said:
First, those situations are the exceptions, not the rule. And it doesn't seem fair to judge the basis or consequences of an advice based on exceptions. What you said can be said for just about anything. I understand that sometimes that phrase has a "glorified meaning", but again, it's not the rule. And reading too much that way makes you forget of the good that comes with people saying that.
Do you think that when people give an advice or offer a suggestion, it makes sense for that person to cover all the things that might go wrong/not work? The advice in itself, is simple and, again, you can't stop people from reading it wrong even if you say "follow your dreams, but…" As i said above, those that say it as if following your dreams is easy, are the execptions and that shouldn't stop us from using it or supporting it because of the possible negative effects. |
When I give advise I don't do it with empty words on small phrases.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
EricHiggin said:
What is the specific rule then? I, as well as many of my friends, were taught that if we followed our dreams, based on what they were, we were most likely going to end up poor, and I don't disagree now. So we were taught to try and find something we liked as much as possible, but that paid an honest wage and required an honest day's work. I know the reason our parents taught us this, was because it's either what their parents taught them, or from experience. So were we all taught wrong, or is this specific dreams rule non existent, considering with certain people in certain situations, it leads to fame and fortune? It's like saying I think nuclear stuff is good, period. Many people would disagree immediately because they would think of nuclear bombs or nuclear waste. If I elaborated, and said the nuclear family for example, or even nuclear power, considering it's not just a small amount of waste that can be contained, but useful electricity that doesn't pollute the air, and is what powers all large modern military water based vessels, etc, then the response would be very different. "Follow your dreams" is way to open ended of a statement to expect people to know what that should or shouldn't mean exactly. They will look for context, and when they see the glitz and glam and glorification of where that statement is usually coming from, they will get a mostly false impression. Sure, it's not entirely up to the speaker to justify themselves, your parents and teachers should make it clear as well, but everyone has their own point of view, even yourself, so a worthwhile attempt should always be made, if you really have the best intentions, and that's rarely ever the case when it comes from a screen. |
"Based on what they were (…)"
You can't expect people who tell others to follow their dreams, to know who they are talking to.
It's easier to give a more personnal advice when you know the person in front of you.
I would say both situations are acceptable, given the context.
As i said before, it's to those who listen to see if what they are dreaming about is something that is actually at their reach or not.
DonFerrari said:
When I give advise I don't do it with empty words on small phrases. |
Like "stay at school" or "don't do drugs"?
People know what they are hearing and if they are hollow words, it's up to those who use those expressions. Even if they are used as clichés, the ones who are hearing will probably give it the correct meaning and read it as real motivation.
DélioPT said:
"Based on what they were (…)" I would say both situations are acceptable, given the context. As i said before, it's to those who listen to see if what they are dreaming about is something that is actually at their reach or not.
Like "stay at school" or "don't do drugs"? |
I can't think of a down side or exaggeration on expectation of results on stay at school and don't do drugs. Still I don't give the advice like that, I prefer to hear the problem and try to work out a solution with the person.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."