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If there's a market for Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Alex Jones, there's probably going to be a market for the "hate whitey" crowd. It's all feel-good entertainment. Yay for free markets?



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jason1637 said:
Aura7541 said:

And those aren’t the only overgeneralizations, so this is not a refutation.

Overgeneralizations can be racost but not all of them are. The jokes made by this women aren't racist.

Prove it, don’t just assert it and call it a day. Saying “white people are bullshit” and describing white people posting on the internet as “Dogs pissing on fire hydrants” are racist. Those are demeaning and dehumanizing over-generalizations. If I were to describe any other race the same way as she did, I would receive a lot of backlash, too.



jason1637 said:
That's really not racost.

replace the word white with black, reread tweets and tell me its not racist.



Smartie900 said:
COKTOE said:

2014 my well sweaty b****. Is what's shown in the op her entire body of work, or just a sampling? Regardless, this spans almost 27 months. Aug 2013 - Nov 2015. It's not like she farted at dinner one time and apologized for it. She farted right in people's faces, with purpose, for over 2 years. Often times at dinner. As far as time span goes, this wasn't a blip. In the less than 3 years hence, not 4 years, she may have developed a sense of professional self preservation, but there's no reason to give her credit for anything other than that. Is there? Did she even attempt to own any of this before she was forced to?

 

Regardless of whether she actually means it or not, she's not making these types of statements in 2018. I can't really give you a reasonable timeframe for when these types of actions are okay but she's not making them in our current political climate. The statements she made were awful, but there has to be a point in time where people look past the mistakes they made and try to better themselves to make sure that they don't express that type of vitriol again. If we keep slamming individuals relentlessly for stuff that they said in the past, we won't be able to change as a society or better ourselves as individuals. Her apology didn't seem bitter and it seemed like she was truly ready to learn from her past occurrences. There has to be a point in time where a person is given a second chance to grow and mature. 

I appreciate your well measured, fart free response, but I really don't think there's enough of a difference between 2013/2015 and 2018 to make any kind of distinction between what was unacceptable to say then vs what is unacceptable now.

As for the rest of your post. Sure. And I'm not saying that sarcastically. It's a good way to think. It's just that: It was so recently. It went on for quite a while. This was a THING with her. She was around 27 when this ceased. That's an adult. Well into adulthood. As far as her sincerity in apologizing: I have no idea. Like I asked earlier: Did she try to get out in front of this at any time before it became public knowledge? And I'm not including the "candid" conversation she had with her then prospective employers at the NYT during their "vetting" process. Or was this only addressed when she had no longer had any choice in the matter? Honestly, I don't think she deserves to work in journalism. I hope it ends up that she's forfeited that privilege. I think she should be able to be a musician. Become an astronomer. Pump gas. Whatever. But not work any job that involves the public trust. I hear you, and respect the compassion, but......I really hope she loses her job for being a racist dumbass. There are worse fates out there, many of them thrust upon less deserving individuals.



Chinese food for breakfast

 

She is awful.



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COKTOE said:
Smartie900 said:

Regardless of whether she actually means it or not, she's not making these types of statements in 2018. I can't really give you a reasonable timeframe for when these types of actions are okay but she's not making them in our current political climate. The statements she made were awful, but there has to be a point in time where people look past the mistakes they made and try to better themselves to make sure that they don't express that type of vitriol again. If we keep slamming individuals relentlessly for stuff that they said in the past, we won't be able to change as a society or better ourselves as individuals. Her apology didn't seem bitter and it seemed like she was truly ready to learn from her past occurrences. There has to be a point in time where a person is given a second chance to grow and mature. 

I appreciate your well measured, fart free response, but I really don't think there's enough of a difference between 2013/2015 and 2018 to make any kind of distinction between what was unacceptable to say then vs what is unacceptable now.

As for the rest of your post. Sure. And I'm not saying that sarcastically. It's a good way to think. It's just that: It was so recently. It went on for quite a while. This was a THING with her. She was around 27 when this ceased. That's an adult. Well into adulthood. As far as her sincerity in apologizing: I have no idea. Like I asked earlier: Did she try to get out in front of this at any time before it became public knowledge? And I'm not including the "candid" conversation she had with her then prospective employers at the NYT during their "vetting" process. Or was this only addressed when she had no longer had any choice in the matter? Honestly, I don't think she deserves to work in journalism. I hope it ends up that she's forfeited that privilege. I think she should be able to be a musician. Become an astronomer. Pump gas. Whatever. But not work any job that involves the public trust. I hear you, and respect the compassion, but......I really hope she loses her job for being a racist dumbass. There are worse fates out there, many of them thrust upon less deserving individuals.

That's fair. I do question her objectivity as a journalist and her ability to connect with multiple audiences besides those that are trying to defend the tweets she made. Her fate lies in the hands of the NY Times and how much public backlash they're willing to deal with for now.



 

 

Aura7541 said:
jason1637 said:

Overgeneralizations can be racost but not all of them are. The jokes made by this women aren't racist.

Prove it, don’t just assert it and call it a day. Saying “white people are bullshit” and describing white people posting on the internet as “Dogs pissing on fire hydrants” are racist. Those are demeaning and dehumanizing over-generalizations. If I were to describe any other race the same way as she did, I would receive a lot of backlash, too.

She was making jokes and many of those tweets are funny. People need to stop getting offended easily. I see people getting offended over nothing like in this thread.

contestgamer said:
jason1637 said:
That's really not racost.

replace the word white with black, reread tweets and tell me its not racist.

It's not racist.



jason1637 said:
Aura7541 said:

Prove it, don’t just assert it and call it a day. Saying “white people are bullshit” and describing white people posting on the internet as “Dogs pissing on fire hydrants” are racist. Those are demeaning and dehumanizing over-generalizations. If I were to describe any other race the same way as she did, I would receive a lot of backlash, too.

She was making jokes and many of those tweets are funny. People need to stop getting offended easily. I see people getting offended over nothing like in this thread.


I told you to prove it. Saying “it’s just a joke” and people are offended over nothing is not a refutation. In fact, since you’ve said this multiple times, you’re just resorting to ad nauseum statements.



Smartie900 said:

Nowhere did I insinuate that hate against white people and men was acceptable. Jeong said some incredibly regrettable shit that shouldn't be accepted in our society and used vitriolic hate to target a large majority of America. That type of behavior isn't acceptable, but she's grown up since than and she's attempting to move on from her mistakes. 

Here's her statement:

"I engaged in what I thought of at the time as counter trolling. While it was intended as satire, I deeply regret that I mimicked the language of my harassers. These comments were not aimed at a general audience, because general audiences do not engage in harassment campaigns. I can understand how hurtful these posts are out of context, and I would not do it again."

That statement might be intended to save her reputation, but its evidence of a person who's matured since the incident and is trying her hardest to not repeat the same mistakes she previously made.

It's actually the opposite of that. 

Everything we've heard has been coated with excuses.  It was just satire, it was just counter-trolling, it was just humor.  She was just mimicking others.  It was because people were being mean online.  She thought it was okay because she just wanted to hurt some people with her generalized insults--which is like setting off a bomb and then using the excuse that you just wanted to blow up a few of the victims, not all of them.

The only part that sounds like an apology is "I can understand how hurtful these posts are" but then she modifies that with another excuse, that her comments are "out of context," even though there exists no context that would make what she said okay.

That's not an apology at all. 

The only thing she seems to regret is that she has to show a bit of regret.  It's like a petulant child blaming everything except themselves when they get caught doing something wrong.



Damn, this bitch is unhinged. lol