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Replicant said:

From a business perspective, I understand why Disney had to fire James Gunn and why Disney owned ABC had to fire Roseanne Barr.

Can't believe Sarah Jeong isn't fired as well. Those tweets are awful.

Roseanne is different because she was being racist in the present while the other two said questionable things years ago.



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jason1637 said:
Aura7541 said:

Well, this is an interesting development... The mental gymnastics that you had to perform to conclude that overgeneralization of people of a certain race is not racism must be quite something. But hey, I guess overgeneralization is not a form of prejudice or discrimination.

Black people like chicken. 

Asians like fish.

White people like pizza.

Those are all overgeneralizations but not racist.

 

 

And those aren’t the only overgeneralizations, so this is not a refutation.



She must have had a rough late 2014 or something lol

I definitely hate, and I mean hate, the double standard that allows some people to go completely unpunished for their past while others are thrown to the wolves, but I also rather wish this little tit-for-tat witch hunt would just end. I have to imagine at this point that everyone under a certain age has almost certainly typed something that they would be enormously embarrassed by or could be taken out of context to make them look terrible.

Each passing day just reaffirms in my mind that social media is one of the single worst things to have happened to mankind thus far, and it will certainly be among the biggest hurdles for us to overcome going forward.



jason1637 said:
Replicant said:

From a business perspective, I understand why Disney had to fire James Gunn and why Disney owned ABC had to fire Roseanne Barr.

Can't believe Sarah Jeong isn't fired as well. Those tweets are awful.

Roseanne is different because she was being racist in the present while the other two said questionable things years ago.

I don't want people getting fired for tweets, but Sarah typed these things over the last 3-4 years... That isn't exactly some angry youthful rant in the distant past.



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jason1637 said:
pokoko said:

Who gives an actual damn about the semantics?  Usually when people bring up the "but it's not racism" objection, it's an attempt to downplay or marginalize something nasty.  You don't like "racism" in this situation?  Okay.  Then let's go with "prejudiced, biased, venomous bigotry intended to hurt, belittle, and damage people of a different ethnic background."  Does that make it prettier?  Does that make it dismissable?  

I mean, seriously, the things she said and the first inclination some people have is to argue about semantics?

The OP isn't presenting the full picture. She was harassed for years om twitter and people were being racist towards her so she was trolling them by making those jokes. It's just humor and it's in bad taste but it's not racist. Anyway I don't believe that someone should be fired based om something they said years ago.

It wasn't humor and that's not a valid excuse. Someone being mean or racist to you doesn't give you a free license to be racist or excuse it.



Smartie900 said:

This situation isn't really comparable to Roseanne. Roseanne said some shit about a political aide that could easily be interpreted as racism. ABC fired her to save face and she apologized. Not even a day passes until she takes back her apology and begins ridiculing and mocking this person again because they're associated with a political figure she doesn't like. She then goes on Twitter rants and a FOX News interview in order to gain sympathy points for making some fucked up comments. She didn't learn anything and is engaging in the typical "leftists are evil and inhumane" conversation that proves she hasn't learned her lesson. ABC was completely justified in firing her. Sarah Jeong made reprehensible comments about an entire gender and race in 2014 in order to be a provocateur and got called out on her racist and sexist statements. She has since apologized for these statements and admits that they were a bad attempt to replicate the language of individuals that targeted her for her gender and ethnicity. Its been 4 years and she has presumably grown up and changed as a person since than. This attempt to mark her as Satan is similar to the attempts to make statements said by James Gunn and Donald Trump several years ago a political tool to completely dismiss them. Everyone says regrettable shit and everyone has to learn to grow from the mistakes they make. Jeong, Gunn, and Trump have apologized extensively for the comments they have made and are on the process of trying to better themselves. I'm not saying that her statements were acceptable and action needs to be taken if she says shit like that again, but I feel that this movement to demonize her is just another chapter added to the outrage culture that's perpetuated by both the left and the right.

2014 my well sweaty b****. Is what's shown in the op her entire body of work, or just a sampling? Regardless, this spans almost 27 months. Aug 2013 - Nov 2015. It's not like she farted at dinner one time and apologized for it. She farted right in people's faces, with purpose, for over 2 years. Often times at dinner. As far as time span goes, this wasn't a blip. In the less than 3 years hence, not 4 years, she may have developed a sense of professional self preservation, but there's no reason to give her credit for anything other than that. Is there? Did she even attempt to own any of this before she was forced to?

the-pi-guy said:

Her comments were definitely racist, but all the tweets with dates on them are years old.  

Her comment on it:

"While it was intended as satire, I deeply regret that I mimicked the language of my harassers. These comments were not aimed at a general audience, because general audiences do not engage in harassment campaigns. I can understand how hurtful these posts are out of context, and would not do it again."

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/3/17644704/sarah-jeong-new-york-times-tweets-backlash-racism

If someone admits wrongdoing when it comes to racism years in the past, I think that's okay.  

Passing that off as satire? That's the worst, objectively worst, satire I've ever seen. If I were having dinner with her, and she started trying out her satirical material on me, I'd rather she just....i dunno... fart in my face. And this is at dinner mind you. Terrible satire. Terrible excuse. And she brings up the C word, as if the lack of C is the missing piece of the puzzle that will make me go, "Oh. Ohhhhhh! I get it now! You're a fucking racist on Twitter.......because other racists made you a racist too? Theeeenks! At least I know why you're a racist C word!" That's the context I guess. And/or she's one of the worst satirists in history.



Chinese food for breakfast

 

jason1637 said:
Aura7541 said:

Well, this is an interesting development... The mental gymnastics that you had to perform to conclude that overgeneralization of people of a certain race is not racism must be quite something. But hey, I guess overgeneralization is not a form of prejudice or discrimination.

Black people like chicken. 

Asians like fish.

White people like pizza.

Those are all overgeneralizations but not racist.

I know you tend to do this to put yourself in the center of controversial topics but still..

So this is not racism?
Dumbass fucking white people
oh man it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men
#CancelWhitePeople
white men are bullshit

What about this?
Dumbass fucking black people
oh man it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old black men
#CancelBlackPeople
black men are bullshit



Aura7541 said:
jason1637 said:

Black people like chicken. 

Asians like fish.

White people like pizza.

Those are all overgeneralizations but not racist.

 

 

And those aren’t the only overgeneralizations, so this is not a refutation.

Overgeneralizations can be racost but not all of them are. The jokes made by this women aren't racist.

Replicant said:
jason1637 said:

Black people like chicken. 

Asians like fish.

White people like pizza.

Those are all overgeneralizations but not racist.

I know you tend to do this to put yourself in the center of controversial topics but still..

So this is not racism?
Dumbass fucking white people
oh man it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men
#CancelWhitePeople
white men are bullshit

What about this?
Dumbass fucking black people
oh man it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old black men
#CancelBlackPeople
black men are bullshit

She was making jokes and counter trolling so if she directed it at Blacks it wouldn't be racist. It would still be in bad taste but not racist.



COKTOE said:
Smartie900 said:

This situation isn't really comparable to Roseanne. Roseanne said some shit about a political aide that could easily be interpreted as racism. ABC fired her to save face and she apologized. Not even a day passes until she takes back her apology and begins ridiculing and mocking this person again because they're associated with a political figure she doesn't like. She then goes on Twitter rants and a FOX News interview in order to gain sympathy points for making some fucked up comments. She didn't learn anything and is engaging in the typical "leftists are evil and inhumane" conversation that proves she hasn't learned her lesson. ABC was completely justified in firing her. Sarah Jeong made reprehensible comments about an entire gender and race in 2014 in order to be a provocateur and got called out on her racist and sexist statements. She has since apologized for these statements and admits that they were a bad attempt to replicate the language of individuals that targeted her for her gender and ethnicity. Its been 4 years and she has presumably grown up and changed as a person since than. This attempt to mark her as Satan is similar to the attempts to make statements said by James Gunn and Donald Trump several years ago a political tool to completely dismiss them. Everyone says regrettable shit and everyone has to learn to grow from the mistakes they make. Jeong, Gunn, and Trump have apologized extensively for the comments they have made and are on the process of trying to better themselves. I'm not saying that her statements were acceptable and action needs to be taken if she says shit like that again, but I feel that this movement to demonize her is just another chapter added to the outrage culture that's perpetuated by both the left and the right.

2014 my well sweaty b****. Is what's shown in the op her entire body of work, or just a sampling? Regardless, this spans almost 27 months. Aug 2013 - Nov 2015. It's not like she farted at dinner one time and apologized for it. She farted right in people's faces, with purpose, for over 2 years. Often times at dinner. As far as time span goes, this wasn't a blip. In the less than 3 years hence, not 4 years, she may have developed a sense of professional self preservation, but there's no reason to give her credit for anything other than that. Is there? Did she even attempt to own any of this before she was forced to?


 

Regardless of whether she actually means it or not, she's not making these types of statements in 2018. I can't really give you a reasonable timeframe for when these types of actions are okay but she's not making them in our current political climate. The statements she made were awful, but there has to be a point in time where people look past the mistakes they made and try to better themselves to make sure that they don't express that type of vitriol again. If we keep slamming individuals relentlessly for stuff that they said in the past, we won't be able to change as a society or better ourselves as individuals. Her apology didn't seem bitter and it seemed like she was truly ready to learn from her past occurrences. There has to be a point in time where a person is given a second chance to grow and mature.