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This situation isn't really comparable to Roseanne. Roseanne said some shit about a political aide that could easily be interpreted as racism. ABC fired her to save face and she apologized. Not even a day passes until she takes back her apology and begins ridiculing and mocking this person again because they're associated with a political figure she doesn't like. She then goes on Twitter rants and a FOX News interview in order to gain sympathy points for making some fucked up comments. She didn't learn anything and is engaging in the typical "leftists are evil and inhumane" conversation that proves she hasn't learned her lesson. ABC was completely justified in firing her. Sarah Jeong made reprehensible comments about an entire gender and race in 2014 in order to be a provocateur and got called out on her racist and sexist statements. She has since apologized for these statements and admits that they were a bad attempt to replicate the language of individuals that targeted her for her gender and ethnicity. Its been 4 years and she has presumably grown up and changed as a person since than. This attempt to mark her as Satan is similar to the attempts to make statements said by James Gunn and Donald Trump several years ago a political tool to completely dismiss them. Everyone says regrettable shit and everyone has to learn to grow from the mistakes they make. Jeong, Gunn, and Trump have apologized extensively for the comments they have made and are on the process of trying to better themselves. I'm not saying that her statements were acceptable and action needs to be taken if she says shit like that again, but I feel that this movement to demonize her is just another chapter added to the outrage culture that's perpetuated by both the left and the right.



 

 

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jason1637 said:
Aura7541 said:

Overgeneralizing people of a certain race is racist.

No it's not.

Well, this is an interesting development... The mental gymnastics that you had to perform to conclude that overgeneralization of people of a certain race is not racism must be quite something. But hey, I guess overgeneralization is not a form of prejudice or discrimination.



Smartie900 said:

This situation isn't really comparable to Roseanne. Roseanne said some shit about a political aide that could easily be interpreted as racism. ABC fired her to save face and she apologized. Not even a day passes until she takes back her apology and begins ridiculing and mocking this person again because they're associated with a political figure she doesn't like. She then goes on Twitter rants and a FOX News interview in order to gain sympathy points for making some fucked up comments. She didn't learn anything and is engaging in the typical "leftists are evil and inhumane" conversation that proves she hasn't learned her lesson. ABC was completely justified in firing her. Sarah Jeong made reprehensible comments about an entire gender and race in 2014 in order to be a provocateur and got called out on her racist and sexist statements. She has since apologized for these statements and admits that they were a bad attempt to replicate the language of individuals that targeted her for her gender and ethnicity. Its been 4 years and she has presumably grown up and changed as a person since than. This attempt to mark her as Satan is similar to the attempts to make statements said by James Gunn and Donald Trump several years ago a political tool to completely dismiss them. Everyone says regrettable shit and everyone has to learn to grow from the mistakes they make. Jeong, Gunn, and Trump have apologized extensively for the comments they have made and are on the process of trying to better themselves. I'm not saying that her statements were acceptable and action needs to be taken if she says shit like that again, but I feel that this movement to demonize her is just another chapter added to the outrage culture that's perpetuated by both the left and the right.

Só mocking and comparing because of political difference is worse than purê hate against all white and or men? Fantastic.



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DonFerrari said:
Smartie900 said:

This situation isn't really comparable to Roseanne.

Roseanne said some shit about a political aide that could easily be interpreted as racism. ABC fired her to save face and she apologized. Not even a day passes until she takes back her apology and begins ridiculing and mocking this person again because they're associated with a political figure she doesn't like. She then goes on Twitter rants and a FOX News interview in order to gain sympathy points for making some fucked up comments. She didn't learn anything and is engaging in the typical "leftists are evil and inhumane" conversation that proves she hasn't learned her lesson. ABC was completely justified in firing her.

Sarah Jeong made reprehensible comments about an entire gender and race in 2014 in order to be a provocateur and got called out on her racist and sexist statements. She has since apologized for these statements and admits that they were a bad attempt to replicate the language of individuals that targeted her for her gender and ethnicity. Its been 4 years and she has presumably grown up and changed as a person since than.

This attempt to mark her as Satan is similar to the attempts to make statements said by James Gunn and Donald Trump several years ago a political tool to completely dismiss them. Everyone says regrettable shit and everyone has to learn to grow from the mistakes they make. Jeong, Gunn, and Trump have apologized extensively for the comments they have made and are on the process of trying to better themselves. I'm not saying that her statements were acceptable and action needs to be taken if she says shit like that again, but I feel that this movement to demonize her is just another chapter added to the outrage culture that's perpetuated by both the left and the right.

Só mocking and comparing because of political difference is worse than purê hate against all white and or men? Fantastic.

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Her comments were definitely racist, but all the tweets with dates on them are years old.  

Her comment on it:

"While it was intended as satire, I deeply regret that I mimicked the language of my harassers. These comments were not aimed at a general audience, because general audiences do not engage in harassment campaigns. I can understand how hurtful these posts are out of context, and would not do it again."

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/3/17644704/sarah-jeong-new-york-times-tweets-backlash-racism

If someone admits wrongdoing when it comes to racism years in the past, I think that's okay.  



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Yeah lady is super racist. But thats how hypocritical things have gotten at this point. Racism is justified one minute and defended the next.



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Kalkano said:

The NY Times is both racist and supports terrorism.

They also recently posted an article about New Hampshire being "too white", and wondering what can be done about that.  Imagine the shitstorm if they said an area was "too black", and something needed to be done about that.

Are you talking about this article? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/us/new-hampshire-white-diversify.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

It's way less dramatic than you are making it sound.  



DonFerrari said:
Smartie900 said:

This situation isn't really comparable to Roseanne. Roseanne said some shit about a political aide that could easily be interpreted as racism. ABC fired her to save face and she apologized. Not even a day passes until she takes back her apology and begins ridiculing and mocking this person again because they're associated with a political figure she doesn't like. She then goes on Twitter rants and a FOX News interview in order to gain sympathy points for making some fucked up comments. She didn't learn anything and is engaging in the typical "leftists are evil and inhumane" conversation that proves she hasn't learned her lesson. ABC was completely justified in firing her. Sarah Jeong made reprehensible comments about an entire gender and race in 2014 in order to be a provocateur and got called out on her racist and sexist statements. She has since apologized for these statements and admits that they were a bad attempt to replicate the language of individuals that targeted her for her gender and ethnicity. Its been 4 years and she has presumably grown up and changed as a person since than. This attempt to mark her as Satan is similar to the attempts to make statements said by James Gunn and Donald Trump several years ago a political tool to completely dismiss them. Everyone says regrettable shit and everyone has to learn to grow from the mistakes they make. Jeong, Gunn, and Trump have apologized extensively for the comments they have made and are on the process of trying to better themselves. I'm not saying that her statements were acceptable and action needs to be taken if she says shit like that again, but I feel that this movement to demonize her is just another chapter added to the outrage culture that's perpetuated by both the left and the right.

Só mocking and comparing because of political difference is worse than purê hate against all white and or men? Fantastic.

Nowhere did I insinuate that hate against white people and men was acceptable. Jeong said some incredibly regrettable shit that shouldn't be accepted in our society and used vitriolic hate to target a large majority of America. That type of behavior isn't acceptable, but she's grown up since than and she's attempting to move on from her mistakes. 

Here's her statement:

"I engaged in what I thought of at the time as counter trolling. While it was intended as satire, I deeply regret that I mimicked the language of my harassers. These comments were not aimed at a general audience, because general audiences do not engage in harassment campaigns. I can understand how hurtful these posts are out of context, and I would not do it again."

That statement might be intended to save her reputation, but its evidence of a person who's matured since the incident and is trying her hardest to not repeat the same mistakes she previously made.

I also think calling Roseanne's statements political mockery is somewhat short sighted. She compared a woman of color to an ape, apologized for her statement, took back her apology, and continued to mock this specific person while trying to underexaggerate her mistakes. I don't have a problem with political commentary and  think its somewhat justifiable to make fun of someone for their political actions. I do not think its justifiable to make a racist statement and then try to humanize yourself for the consequences you faced for making that racist statement. She hasn't learned anything and the amount of support that she's gotten from groups of people will ensure that she'll never mature.

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From a business perspective, I understand why Disney had to fire James Gunn and why Disney owned ABC had to fire Roseanne Barr.

Can't believe Sarah Jeong isn't fired as well. Those tweets are awful.



Aura7541 said:
jason1637 said:

No it's not.

Well, this is an interesting development... The mental gymnastics that you had to perform to conclude that overgeneralization of people of a certain race is not racism must be quite something. But hey, I guess overgeneralization is not a form of prejudice or discrimination.

Black people like chicken. 

Asians like fish.

White people like pizza.

Those are all overgeneralizations but not racist.