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numberwang said:

This woman is black?

She may have some ancestors.

In Brazil if she is in University or have a good job she is white. If unemployed or jailed then she is black.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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jason1637 said:

It would be impossible to go through all her tweets to see if they were reactionary because she isn't responding to anyone...

No it's not. A time consuming task is not an impossible task. You can take all the time in the world to verify for yourself. You were the one who claimed that Sarah Jeong's tweets were only jokes. Therefore, you have the burden of proof to make sure that your claim holds up to scrutiny. You can start here.

...and the people who tweeted those terrible things at here might have deleted the tweet or were banned...

Which people? What are "those terrible things"? Were each and every one of Jeong's tweets a response to these people's trolling? You will also have to prove that if your answer to this question is yes.

You also contradicted yourself as you said that she was not responding to anyone. Counter-trolling is a response to a person's trolling. You cannot possibly counter-troll if you are not responding. Pick one, you can't have both.

Lastly, two wrongs do not make a right.

So I'm going to trust the person that went through this harassment...

So you're going to trust the person that went through the harassment that I supposedly am supposed to take your word for it with no questions asked. Harassment has a rather specific definition, so you need to verify that what you claimed is true. Sorry, but you're going to have to show me evidence for this. How do you know that she's blameless when she may also have participated in activities that are as reprehensible, especially when many of her tweets were unprovoked and not in response to other people?

because if she was lying I honestly think she would be fired already and since she's not she probably wasn't lying.

This is absolutely laughable logic. That assumes that liars are always fired, which is obviously not true. You're claiming that "if A (Jeong is a liar), then B (she gets fired from her job). Since B happened, therefore A". This is an Affirming the Consequent fallacy. You're also running on a false assumption that there is no "D" outcome (employer keeps her employed anyways). NYT may be as ethically corrupt as Jeong.

Ok so the dictionary isnt objective so why are we using their definition? 

I didn't say that the dictionaries aren't objective either. Stop responding to phantom statements. However, I will ask you these questions:

Why do so many people use dictionaries? Why are they published which costs resources and money if they're supposedly not objective in your opinion? In fact, I already explained why and my explanation still stands because...

1) I know what racism is and know about its history (in the US).

This is not a refutation against my first point. In fact, this is an Appeal to Authority fallacy. I know about racism and its history, too. Cool, what now?

2 ) English is my first language so I know about its linguistics.

This is another Appeal to Authority fallacy. English is also my first language and I actually took linguistics courses in college. Again, cool what now?

3) This is basically the same thing as your first point.

No, I specifically mentioned that the Oxford dictionary is a historical dictionary. Stop scraping the bottom of the barrel for whatever miscellaneous infractions I make and get to the point. To recap, your argument against using dictionary definitions was "Dictionary definitions aren't 100% true. Here I'll shove two editorials in your face as I don't even bother to explain how the writers' arguments are valid".

To tally up, here's what I got from your responses:

1. In spite of being asked to fulfill your burden of proof, you have refused to do so and tried to weasel your way out by claiming that the task is impossible when in reality, it's time-consuming. Plus, you first participated in this thread 5 days ago, so you have no excuse for not using your time correctly either.

2. You contradicted yourself when you said that Jeong wasn't responding to anyone, but you earlier said that she was trolling against people who tweeted "those terrible things" (vague much?) at her to get back at them.

3. Claiming that Jeong is a victim of harassment without showing evidence (imagine my shock at your recurring pattern of make a claim, make no explanation).

4. Assuming the Jeong is blameless when she may also be guilty of engaging in such behavior that is as bad (e.g. her metaphorically kicking Naomi Wu when she was down or her implying that Christina Hoff Sommer's existence is bad), hence probably why she received such alleged harassment (if true, it's wrong to harass her).

5. An Affirming the Consequent fallacy.

6. Responding to statements I did not make.

7. Two Appeal to Authority fallacies.

8. Trying to find some minor mistake I made which has little bearing to your original claim about Jeong's tweets being only jokes.



At least they dish out equal opportunity

 



numberwang said:

At least they dish out equal opportunity

 

We can't reality get in the way of narrative.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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She's a racist and probably a terrible driver.



 

Everything in the above reply is my opinion, from my own perspective and not representative of reality outside of my own head!

-Android user, please be gentle with critique on my spelling.

She's a racist and probably a terrible driver.



 

Everything in the above reply is my opinion, from my own perspective and not representative of reality outside of my own head!

-Android user, please be gentle with critique on my spelling.

Aura7541 said: 

4. Assuming the Jeong is blameless when she may also be guilty of engaging in such behavior that is as bad (e.g. her metaphorically kicking Naomi Wu when she was down or her implying that Christina Hoff Sommer's existence is bad), hence probably why she received such alleged harassment (if true, it's wrong to harass her).

Regarding the Naomi Wu article you linked too: Thanks. It was a good read, and helps to paint a broader picture about what kind of person Sarah Jeong is.



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