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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Aura7541 said:

I was assuming that you were joking when you said we should kill Sarah Jeong. Based on your reaction, it seems that you weren’t joking?

No. I'm saying what kind of point did you assume I was making? 

Oh, I thought you made a reprehensible post on purpose to demonstrate how “I was just trolling” doesn’t excuse you from the fact how advocating for killing Jeong isn’t acceptable.



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Aura7541 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

No. I'm saying what kind of point did you assume I was making? 

Oh, I thought you made a reprehensible post on purpose to demonstrate how “I was just trolling” doesn’t excuse you from the fact how advocating for killing Jeong isn’t acceptable.

Oh, that's exactly the point I was making. Thanks for helping me prove it. Consequences should be administered when appropriate. 



Aura7541 said:
jason1637 said:

I've provided my proof and you don't believe it so there's no point in arguing that. Also "Asian Culture " isn't a thing. The culture changes by country.

The dictionary definitions isnt always the 100% true one. I suggest reading these articles that go into more detail.

http://steve-patterson.com/there-are-no-objective-definitions/

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/dictionary-definition-racism/

Then what is your proof and explain to me how’s it qualifies as evidence. 

Also showing me opinion pieces to justify your subjective opinion on what racism means is not evidence either.

The tweet I posted earlier is enough evidence. 

Also what about the dictionary definition makes it objective?  Do you have evidence that the dictionarydefinition is objective? 

DonFerrari said:
jason1637 said:

I've provided my proof and you don't believe it so there's no point in arguing that. Also "Asian Culture " isn't a thing. The culture changes by country.

The dictionary definitions isnt always the 100% true one. I suggest reading these articles that go into more detail.

http://steve-patterson.com/there-are-no-objective-definitions/

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/dictionary-definition-racism/

I don't agree with how she handled it but in general she was feeding the trolls and making bad jokes so I don't see her as racist.

So can we count on you when someone say something about "western world" to show how it differs? And I'm pretty sure you understood that when she was criticized it was meant on not knowing anything about the culture of her homeland (even though she fell so oppresed about being from there) and replies with a laughable being on SK for only a week.

There are plenty of people on any country that never gone to a different country but know a lot of things about the culture of those countries.

I don't really care about the criticism. I was just pointing out that saying "Asian Culture " is not the correct term. He should have said "South Korean Culture "



jason1637 said:
Aura7541 said:

Then what is your proof and explain to me how’s it qualifies as evidence. 

Also showing me opinion pieces to justify your subjective opinion on what racism means is not evidence either.

The tweet I posted earlier is enough evidence. 

Also what about the dictionary definition makes it objective?  Do you have evidence that the dictionarydefinition is objective? 

DonFerrari said:

So can we count on you when someone say something about "western world" to show how it differs? And I'm pretty sure you understood that when she was criticized it was meant on not knowing anything about the culture of her homeland (even though she fell so oppresed about being from there) and replies with a laughable being on SK for only a week.

There are plenty of people on any country that never gone to a different country but know a lot of things about the culture of those countries.

I don't really care about the criticism. I was just pointing out that saying "Asian Culture " is not the correct term. He should have said "South Korean Culture "

From his post seems like he is giving what the article was about not that he doesn't know that all Asian isn't the same.

Seems more like someone said she didn't know much about Asian culture and she said that the reason is she being to SK only a week. You are making a false correlation on this.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Aura7541 said:
jason1637 said:

I've provided my proof and you don't believe it so there's no point in arguing that. Also "Asian Culture " isn't a thing. The culture changes by country.

The dictionary definitions isnt always the 100% true one. I suggest reading these articles that go into more detail.

http://steve-patterson.com/there-are-no-objective-definitions/

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/dictionary-definition-racism/

Then what is your proof and explain to me how’s it qualifies as evidence. 

Also showing me opinion pieces to justify your subjective opinion on what racism means is not evidence either.

Her tweet i posted earlier is enough proof.

Also what makes the dictionaries definition more objective then mine?

DonFerrari said:
jason1637 said:

The tweet I posted earlier is enough evidence. 

Also what about the dictionary definition makes it objective?  Do you have evidence that the dictionarydefinition is objective? 

I don't really care about the criticism. I was just pointing out that saying "Asian Culture " is not the correct term. He should have said "South Korean Culture "

From his post seems like he is giving what the article was about not that he doesn't know that all Asian isn't the same.

Seems more like someone said she didn't know much about Asian culture and she said that the reason is she being to SK only a week. You are making a false correlation on this.

Then the article is in the wrong.



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jason1637 said:
Aura7541 said:

Then what is your proof and explain to me how’s it qualifies as evidence. 

Also showing me opinion pieces to justify your subjective opinion on what racism means is not evidence either.

Her tweet i posted earlier is enough proof.

Also what makes the dictionaries definition more objective then mine?

DonFerrari said:

From his post seems like he is giving what the article was about not that he doesn't know that all Asian isn't the same.

Seems more like someone said she didn't know much about Asian culture and she said that the reason is she being to SK only a week. You are making a false correlation on this.

Then the article is in the wrong.

Not really.

If the article talking to her criticized her lack of knlowdge of asian Culture (this could mean all Asia, similar cultural traits to majority of countries, of specific area, etc) and she answers that is because she have only been to SK 1 week she is still being the one wrong and ignorant.

The sole tweet you provided was she saying she is joking. I guess criminals saying they didn't do it is all the evidence we need to have a not guilty on court as well right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

jason1637 said:
Aura7541 said:

Then what is your proof and explain to me how’s it qualifies as evidence. 

Also showing me opinion pieces to justify your subjective opinion on what racism means is not evidence either.

The tweet I posted earlier is enough evidence. 

Also what about the dictionary definition makes it objective?  Do you have evidence that the dictionarydefinition is objective? 

How is the tweet you posted considered to be enough evidence? Does the referenced tweet confirm that all (remember, for Jeong to not be racist, then absolutely zero of her tweets were racist) of her tweets from 2013 through 2016 were just jokes? How so?

I also did not say that the dictionary definitions are objective, so this is a strawman fallacy. The problem is that your definition of racism is subjective and it is based on other people's subjective definitions of racism. You just shoved two editorials in my face expecting me to not question it and then, asked me to prove something I did not claim when you haven't done your due diligence. Stop being intellectually lazy.

Anyways, I would rather use the Merriam-Webster and Oxford's definitions because (1) dictionaries actually take note of the words' historical usages, etymologies, and definitions, (2) their definitions are based on linguistic description, that is the linguists' observations of their own language usage, and (3) the Oxford Dictionary is also a historical dictionary, which go over the words' historical development of their forms and meanings.

Last edited by Aura7541 - on 07 August 2018

She is the Lead writer for technology. So, who cares?



jason1637 said:
Replicant said:

From a business perspective, I understand why Disney had to fire James Gunn and why Disney owned ABC had to fire Roseanne Barr.

Can't believe Sarah Jeong isn't fired as well. Those tweets are awful.

Roseanne is different because she was being racist in the present while the other two said questionable things years ago.

how was what roseanna said racist?



Aura7541 said:
jason1637 said:

The tweet I posted earlier is enough evidence. 

Also what about the dictionary definition makes it objective?  Do you have evidence that the dictionarydefinition is objective? 

How is the tweet you posted considered to be enough evidence? Does the referenced tweet confirm that all (remember, for Jeong to not be racist, then absolutely zero of her tweets were racist) of her tweets from 2013 through 2016 were just jokes? How so?

I also did not say that the dictionary definitions are objective, so this is a strawman fallacy. The problem is that your definition of racism is subjective and it is based on other people's subjective definitions of racism. You just shoved two editorials in my face expecting me to not question it and then, asked me to prove something I did not claim when you haven't done your due diligence. Stop being intellectually lazy.

Anyways, I would rather use the Merriam-Webster and Oxford's definitions because (1) dictionaries actually take note of the words' historical usages, etymologies, and definitions, (2) their definitions are based on linguistic description, that is the linguists' observations of their own language usage, and (3) the Oxford Dictionary is also a historical dictionary, which go over the words' historical development of their forms and meanings.

It would be impossible to go through all her tweets to see if they were reactionary because she isn't responding to anyone and the people who tweeted those terrible things at here might have deleted the tweet or were banned. So I'm going to trust the person that went through this harassment because if she was lying I honestly think she would be fired already and since she's not she probably wasn't lying.

Ok so the dictionary isnt objective so why are we using their definition? 

1) I know what racism is and know about its history (in the US).

2 ) English is my first language so I know about its linguistics.

3) This is basically the same thing as your first point.

o_O.Q said:
jason1637 said:

Roseanne is different because she was being racist in the present while the other two said questionable things years ago.

how was what roseanna said racist?

She called a Black Women am Ape.