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That is very logical given the current world conditions.

World power prints more fiat money so it can expand their MIC/army which forces the world to keep accepting their fiat money. It's pretty evil, but makes sense when doing evil things .

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Ka-pi96 said:
Aeolus451 said:

You have to consider the role the US military. It functions as a security force for all of North America, South Korea, Japan, EU, etc. It's easy to be snarky about US defense spending when your own country doesn't have to spend much due to the US protecting your shit and maintaining world peace.

The US doesn't do that though. The US military didn't stop the whole middle east thing from starting. It didn't stop Afghanistan. It didn't stop the Russian "invasion" of Crimea. It didn't stop the Vietnamese war. It didn't stop the Argentinian attack on the Falklands. It didn't stop the Korean war. So much for that "security force".

Besides, if spending = strength as you seem to think then places like the EU don't even need the US anyway since the UK and France together outspend Russia and that's without the other 50 odd EU countries chipping in. So not only have you been useless in defending Europe (and the rest of the world) anyway, you're not even needed. Besides, what kind of messed up logic do you need to think that Russia or China are suddenly going to become Nazi Germany and try and conquer the world if the US lower their military budget, because it sounds like that's what you're saying, while the reality is it wouldn't really change a thing for either of those countries (or the countries near them).

Nighthawk117 said:

Two points:

1. Have any terrorists hijacked airplanes and flown them into buildings of any of those other 7 closest countries?

2. If ever a terrorist group got their hands on a WMD - i.e. a stash of nerve gas, or bio weapon, or some plutonium and made a dirty bomb,would they be more likely to set it off in one of those 7 countries or in the USA?  To a terrorist, what's a more inviting target? NYC or Beijing? Washington DC or Riyadh?

1. That insane military budget isn't working very well then if despite spending all that money that's happened to the US but not any other country.

2. Depends on the terrorist group. The only group I can think of that has used one of those (nerve gas specifically) was in the Tokyo sarin gas attack, so not a US city. Although assuming you're talking solely about islamic terrorists then cities in some of those other 7 countries would be just as attractive as any US city (Paris and London for example).

Besides, in my experience dealing with terrorists and counter-terrorism operations is typically a police rather than military matter. So how exactly are a bunch of rockets, tanks and fighter jets going to help the police do their job?

I'm pretty sure that I mentioned defense and used countries that we're really friendly with as examples. The US protects most of its allies. We have bases everywhere for that and when we're taking military action somewhere. 



Aeolus451 said:

You have to consider the role the US military. It functions as a security force for all of North America, South Korea, Japan, EU, etc. It's easy to be snarky about US defense spending when your own country doesn't have to spend much due to the US protecting your shit and maintaining world peace.

"Maintaining world peace" hahaha 😂🤣 The US has destroyed world peace time and again and destroyed my area's piece for the last 4 decades. The US isn't a global peace keeper. It's more a global terrorist creator. If your stupid asses were out of Africa and the middle East, maybe you could slash that obscene budget in half and still easily defend your allies



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Why would anyone want to upgrade their military spending where it's yet to be proven that war can be profitable, especially in this day and age ?



That map posted above is optimistic. There is no “US site” or “US base” here. There’s a small host of American personel on a Dutch base solely for mutual sharing of knowledge and information. If that already counts to color a map, a lot of EU countries and Australia can color half the world as well. I’m surprised the Baltic isn’t colored red.



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melbye said:

Well, someone has to pay for the defense of Norway and the rest of NATO

Thank you.

USA doesn't pay for the rest of Nato though, that was another one of those trump lies.



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Hiku said:

The USA defense budget was already beyond insane before this vote...

People often forget, or don't commonly mention, that even though Republicans are the main offenders of taking large corporate donations, there are plenty of Democrats that do the same.

I fail to see why USA's defense budget needs to be that much higher than the top 7 closest countries combined.
Need to vote all these people out.

Keep in mind that the US have the world biggest economy, maybe just EU has bigger, and because of this the military budget seems higher than it really is. Also it's very likely that Russia and China are not reporting their full military spending and should count as higher.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

List of countries gdp if you're interested.

Usa just have a big burden where they haft to be the world police, otherwise every country in the world would constantly be pumping their military and rushing to get nukes to protect themself. There is no need for this now because of USA.



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Hiku said:

The USA defense budget was already beyond insane before this vote...

People often forget, or don't commonly mention, that even though Republicans are the main offenders of taking large corporate donations, there are plenty of Democrats that do the same.

I fail to see why USA's defense budget needs to be that much higher than the top 7 closest countries combined.
Need to vote all these people out.

With spending more on defense than anyone else in the world, especially the "enemies", how come there isn't world peace yet?



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Jon-Erich said:
Hiku said:

The USA defense budget was already beyond insane before this vote...

People often forget, or don't commonly mention, that even though Republicans are the main offenders of taking large corporate donations, there are plenty of Democrats that do the same.

I fail to see why USA's defense budget needs to be that much higher than the top 7 closest countries combined.
Need to vote all these people out.

In the last election, Hillary Clinton became the poster child for taking large corporate donations. She had so much money in her arsenal to the point where at one time, she was outspending Donald Trump on campaigning ten times over. She had the backing of the big banks. She had the backing of the Saudi Royal Family. She was supported by the mainstream media outlets. That's why she really didn't campaign that hard despite somehow spending a lot of money. She thought she had the election in the bag. But then again, Hillary Clinton is a Neo-Liberal. She could pass as a moderate Republican if she wanted to.

 

Aeolus451 said:

You have to consider the role the US military. It functions as a security force for all of North America, South Korea, Japan, EU, etc. It's easy to be snarky about US defense spending when your own country doesn't have to spend much due to the US protecting your shit and maintaining world peace.

Thank you for posting this. This is what a lot of people don't get. The majority of the US's defense spending comes from oversees costs. Personally, I don't think the US should be the world's policemen anymore. Maybe during the immediate post-WWII years, there was a reason for it and even throughout the Cold War, but there isn't anymore. The Commies aren't coming to take over and the Russians aren't the Soviet Union anymore despite what some people would like to think. The thing is some of these countries get real pissy when the US asks them step up their own defense. They're asking this in order to relieve the American taxpayer. 

 

DonFerrari said:
Seems like the democrats in power hate Trump less than they voters.

The Democrats just love spending period. That isn't to say the Republicans are much better. With the exception of Rand Paul, Justin Amash and Thomas Massie, who are the few libertarian-leaning Republicans, the Republicans just as bad. The difference is the Republicans like to pretend to be fiscally conservative whereas the Democrats don't even hide the fact that they love spending.

And the funny stuff is people saying Trump campaign was unfair because he received help from Russia, but ignore the 10x difference in budget.



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KLAMarine said:

It is by the threat of force that peace is maintained.

I'm pretty sure we spend more on other things outside of defense. I think we spend most on social security.

I think some of those weapons are eventually sold to NATO allies so it's not a total waste. Also, better safe than sorry!

"It is by the threat of force that peace is maintained."

No. That's just illusioning yourself into what you call "peace". Conflicts do still exist around the world most notably in the Middle-East, Center Africa etc ... No peace has been achieved thus far, just extensions of  past conflicts and mismanagement of western institutions to bring on the table lasting solutions to what they caused in the first place.

 

Ka-pi96 said:
KLAMarine said:

It is by the threat of force that peace is maintained.

In video games...

In real life that's been proven false many times already.

 

I can't help but think back to the years prior to WW2. What if Britain and France had exercised greater force against Nazi Germany as Hitler was tearing apart the Treaty of Versailles?