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Koch Brothers own study says that Universal Healthcare is cheaper than current US system

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Aeolus451 said:
Chris Hu said:

So what you are saying is the US is dumber then the rest of the developed world since the can't implement a UHS without lowering cost.  Well no shit Sherlock everybody already knew that.

Considering the EU is having money problems and falling apart, it can keep that shit.

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/932962/EU-news-debt-bad-loans-financial-crisis-European-Commission-Valdis-Dombrovskis

So your saying that Trump's bloated budget is not adding tons of money to the US debt.



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Rab said:

Just for comparative cost, US is virtually the only country without a Universal Healthcare System (UHS), almost every study that takes in the full complexity of the real costs shows that there is savings to be gained when using a UHS

Yeah, but the US is the best and most successful country, which means everyone else must be wrong.



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Problems:

1. Irrelevant comparison
2. Ties into the first one but the "coverage cost for all under current system" is totally hypothetical regardless of study (the author can't accurately project what will happen to the "overhead" or it's potential when health insurance customers already buy in bulk without a mandated single payer plan)
3. The current system is cheaper for who it already covers than either of the proposed two alternate scenarios

Tricky for people to interpret but there's actually 3 parameters in play rather than 2 yet we're here complaining about a 6% savings rate for applying medicare for all when our current path comfortably beats both options in savings ? 



 



It always make me laugh how against healthcare Americans are. I can't help but wonder if it's just a stubbornness thing, like they just aren't willing to admit that other countries do something better than them



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Ka-pi96 said:
It always make me laugh how against healthcare Americans are. I can't help but wonder if it's just a stubbornness thing, like they just aren't willing to admit that other countries do something better than them

How are Americans against healthcare ? That's just a misconception ... 

"Better" is totally arguable when America leads in cancer care, having more specialists, higher standard medical practice (malpractice/defensive medicine are real issues with physicians the US), medical equipment or diagnostic tools and FDA regulations are absolutely stringent (it is the gold standard among all regulatory public health bodies for drug and medical device approvals) compared to the rest of the world ... 

Most important of all is that Americans are willing to pay for quality rather than quantity as seen through their investment for private care ... (5 of the top 10 leading pharmaceutical companies are American so they are also leading investors in advanced biotechnology) 



 



open border koch bros? yeah they can eat shit and die. socialism can do the same.



 

darkenergy said:
Single payer NOW!!!

If the USA can afford $700 billion on military spending (which btw needs to be cut in half) then it can afford this as well.

I'm sick and tired of hearing this... you know who is no 2 and 3 in military power... Russia and China... you want to see over power to either of those nations?



Ka-pi96 said:
It always make me laugh how against healthcare Americans are. I can't help but wonder if it's just a stubbornness thing, like they just aren't willing to admit that other countries do something better than them

Half of the US citizens are brought up with the idea that giving something to the poor is a bad thing. Ironically the same half considers themselves predominantly Christian while the other half who wants an extension of social programs has a much higher percentage of atheists among them. It'd be funny if if it wasn't so sad.

I wouldn't want to live in a country which considers taxes, socialism and government regulation, which are all meant to protect its citizens, an inherently bad thing.

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