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June 2018 NPD: PS4 #1 console, Mario Tennis Aces #1 software

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Kerotan said:
KLAMarine said:

Is Nintendo losing third party support a wet dream of yours?

It can still play games, the single most important aspect of any games console.

For what it's worth, it's helping inspire other mini consoles.

Jesus I hope not. I don't want Sony doing a cash grab  

You mean like locking people out of their Epic accounts? Lol



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Farsala said:
zorg1000 said:

The contradiction i see is that he said Fortnite would have no affect and now its one of the reasons why it was clear June was going to be a good month.

It seems we all underestimated Fortnite. It is clearly one of the reasons all the consoles are doing so well this year. But yeah he should have expected more impact from Fortnite, since we saw the boosts PS4 and XB1 got from it in previous months.

How many sales have PS4 lost because of lack of crossplatform?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:

I truly hope you are wrong. 

This is one of those cash grabbing strategies that has this weird way of gaining traction but just shouldn't.

The Current generation consoles are more than powerful enough to run those games. Nintendo had it right with the virtual console thingy, sony has it right with PSnow because that at least allows you play games even if you don't have a console. MS has it right by allowing full BC on their XB1 platform (has it best If i may add). 

I am obviously against stuff like this for the very reason that it may encourage others to do the same. So instead of make the PS5 BC out of the box with everything from the PS4 all the way dow to the PS1. Sony could then make a silly mini console that will take up another HDMI slot on my TV because this shit worked for nintendo.

Call me crazy, I just think this is the wrong direction BC should be going in.

What if your an old school gamer who doesnt care about modern gaming and just wants to replay some of their favorite games as a kid?

Should this person have to buy a $300 console and all these games individually or should they have the option to just purchase a $60-80 console with a couple dozen classics?

I think the current consoles all have some way to play these retros titles as well.

He can buy the original HW, still being sold around



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Intrinsic said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Well, strictly speaking it is a videogame console, no matter it's cheap price compared to the other offerings. So yeah, it makes sense that it is taken into account.

I am not saying it shouldn't be taken into account..... but just going through this thread its almost made out to be some sort of industry defining achievement. Its like when its convenient common sense goes ouut the window. I doubt the PS4/XB1/NS is loosing sales to the NESc.

psychicscubadiver said:

The NES Classic is $60

The SNES Classic is $80

It is a video game console in a technical sense, but no. I don't think anyone is claiming Nintendo 'won' June because the NES Classic sold the most. They just think it's weird and funny to have what is essentially a 'plug n play' console lead the market in unit sales.

As you have said its $60 (even less than what I thought it was. So thats basically the cost of one retail game. I can definately see the ease of purchase and value proposition in that. I allso think that should be painfully obvious to everyone. We are comparing $60 hardware+games to $300 boxes? Or even putting them in the same conversation as if they are direct rivals.

This is just me though.... so maybe I am the one seeing things differently.

More interestingly to me though, is how come no one is pointing out that nintendo could also just as easily have released NES/SNES ports for the NS and then the NESc and SNESc wouldn't even need to exist. Its why I see very little sense in sony making a PSc/PS2c when I would rather they just let us pay for a $10 emulator app we can install in our PS4 and then allow everyone download whatever PS1/PS2 game they want from the store.

But Kudos to nintendo though... this is smart business if ever I saw it.

The NES Classic and SNES Classic aren't strictly targeted to people who are still buying Nintendo consoles.  Somebody who paid $60 for an NES Classic isn't necessarily in the same consumer group that is going to spend $299 for a Nintendo Switch even if it had a Virtual Console on it.  The Classic editions have mass market appeal extending to people who were gamers in the 80's-early 90's, but might not own any consoles today.  Or people who gamed on the NES/SNES heavily back in the day, but have since moved on to Play Station or Xbox.    There will be NES ports on the Switch very soon with Nintendo's Online service, but that doesn't negate the value of the Classic Editions as a product.

And, Sony isn't going to give you access to their entire back-library for a single $10 app download.  PS1 & PS2 games are $9.99 - $14.99 each on the Play Station Store.  I don't see Sony changing gears on that anytime soon.



DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

What if your an old school gamer who doesnt care about modern gaming and just wants to replay some of their favorite games as a kid?

Should this person have to buy a $300 console and all these games individually or should they have the option to just purchase a $60-80 console with a couple dozen classics?

I think the current consoles all have some way to play these retros titles as well.

He can buy the original HW, still being sold around

Which route has a better ease of purchase?  Walking down the electronics aisle of Target, Wal-mart, etc. and picking up an NES Classic with 30 games installed on it; or scouring eBay, flea markets, retro game stores for both hardware and those 30 games?  Also, which one is going to leave a smaller footprint in your entertainment set-up?  Not to mention price point.  Say you found an original console, tested working, with all the hookups for $30 and the games for $5 each.  You just spent 3x what the Classic Edition cost.



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Intrinsic said:
KLAMarine said:

For what it's worth, it's helping inspire other mini consoles.

I truly hope you are wrong. 

This is one of those cash grabbing strategies that has this weird way of gaining traction but just shouldn't.

The Current generation consoles are more than powerful enough to run those games. Nintendo had it right with the virtual console thingy, sony has it right with PSnow because that at least allows you play games even if you don't have a console. MS has it right by allowing full BC on their XB1 platform (has it best If i may add). 

I am obviously against stuff like this for the very reason that it may encourage others to do the same. So instead of make the PS5 BC out of the box with everything from the PS4 all the way dow to the PS1. Sony could then make a silly mini console that will take up another HDMI slot on my TV because this shit worked for nintendo.

Call me crazy, I just think this is the wrong direction BC should be going in.

So your issue isn't mini consoles, it's just the possibility Sony may decide to exclude BC in the future.

Kerotan said:
KLAMarine said:

Is Nintendo losing third party support a wet dream of yours?

It can still play games, the single most important aspect of any games console.

For what it's worth, it's helping inspire other mini consoles.

Jesus I hope not. I don't want Sony doing a cash grab with a ps1 classic or a ps2 classic. Just release the games digitally for ps4 or ps5. 

I don't know what your problem is. Just think of how much more money Sony could be making!

Megiddo said:

It can still play games, the single most important aspect of any games console.

I mean, my old TI-83 calculator can play games. I don't consider it a console.

The NES/SNES Classic is just an emulation device.

A ps4 or x1 could be used as a dvd player or streaming device or paper weight. Is it now no longer a console?

PortisheadBiscuit said:
Kerotan said:

Jesus I hope not. I don't want Sony doing a cash grab  

You mean like locking people out of their Epic accounts? Lol



DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

What if your an old school gamer who doesnt care about modern gaming and just wants to replay some of their favorite games as a kid?

Should this person have to buy a $300 console and all these games individually or should they have the option to just purchase a $60-80 console with a couple dozen classics?

I think the current consoles all have some way to play these retros titles as well.

He can buy the original HW, still being sold around

Thats certainly an option but there are a few things that make the new version much more convenient.

1. NES/SNES Classic are sold at popular retail stores (Wal Mart/Target/Best Buy) so you can buy them on impulse while the originals you have to actively seek out.

2. The Classic editions are cheaper than what it would cost to get the originals along with a couple dozen games.

3. There is always a risk in buying ~30 year old electronics, the chances of them not working or going bad is much higher than with the new versions.



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DonFerrari said:
Farsala said:

It seems we all underestimated Fortnite. It is clearly one of the reasons all the consoles are doing so well this year. But yeah he should have expected more impact from Fortnite, since we saw the boosts PS4 and XB1 got from it in previous months.

How many sales have PS4 lost because of lack of crossplatform?

No clue. But it is clear that Fortnite is one of the reasons PS4 is up YoY YTD.



Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

He can buy the original HW, still being sold around

Which route has a better ease of purchase?  Walking down the electronics aisle of Target, Wal-mart, etc. and picking up an NES Classic with 30 games installed on it; or scouring eBay, flea markets, retro game stores for both hardware and those 30 games?  Also, which one is going to leave a smaller footprint in your entertainment set-up?  Not to mention price point.  Say you found an original console, tested working, with all the hookups for $30 and the games for $5 each.  You just spent 3x what the Classic Edition cost.

For me buying the original is easie. Just go to ebay, see if seller is thrustworthy and make the purchase.

Minis from Nintendo all suffered from scalping.

Even more when in Brazil I can buy a SNES for R$100 (30USD) but the Snes Mini cost R$2000 (500USD)

zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

He can buy the original HW, still being sold around

Thats certainly an option but there are a few things that make the new version much more convenient.

1. NES/SNES Classic are sold at popular retail stores (Wal Mart/Target/Best Buy) so you can buy them on impulse while the originals you have to actively seek out.

2. The Classic editions are cheaper than what it would cost to get the originals along with a couple dozen games.

3. There is always a risk in buying ~30 year old electronics, the chances of them not working or going bad is much higher than with the new versions.

1 - Sure, they present revenue for Nintendo and facilitate exposition to customer.

2 - And also they are soulless, if it's just to play the games people are already emulating them.

3 - Considering that a lot of NES/SNES are outliving PS1/PS2 shows that the old HW is quite reliable, probably even more than the minis.

Farsala said:
DonFerrari said:

How many sales have PS4 lost because of lack of crossplatform?

No clue. But it is clear that Fortnite is one of the reasons PS4 is up YoY YTD.

It can only mean that people bought Fortnite in PS4 out of protest for its lack of crossplatform =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Megiddo said:

November 2017 (Month after Wolfenstein II launch)

PlayStation 4

1. Call of Duty: WWII
2. Star Wars: Battlefront II
3. Assassin’s Creed: Origins
4. NBA 2K18
5. Madden NFL 18
6. FIFA 18
7. Need for Speed: Payback
8. Destiny 2
9. Grand Theft Auto V
10. Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus*

TNC launched October 27 so it seems it sold more in November. So not hard to imagine since Switch release was June 29 that it could show up in the July NPD.

Hmm... I guess I should have done my research beforehand. My bad.