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Mr Puggsly on 28 July 2018
Nem said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The dems are arguing he's going to make abortion a crime. Your concern is he will become a dictator? This is why we don't take Trump criticism seriously.

Don't care if you do. I actually don't expect many who got him there to learn until it personally hits them. You got more to lose from it than me.

And also, it's not just that. It isn't one concern. There are countless terrible things he is doing. You thinking he wouldn't try to make a play for power, is naive though.  I'm sure that's what the Turkish were saying about Erdogan. xD

Fearmongering, its already a tactic by left here in the states.

The nonsense you're spewing is what helped a network like CNN become a joke. We've come full circle in this discussion.

Some would argue Obama did some terrible things, objectively. A president making unpopular decisions isn't equal to dictatorship.



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Nem on 28 July 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Nem said:

Don't care if you do. I actually don't expect many who got him there to learn until it personally hits them. You got more to lose from it than me.

And also, it's not just that. It isn't one concern. There are countless terrible things he is doing. You thinking he wouldn't try to make a play for power, is naive though.  I'm sure that's what the Turkish were saying about Erdogan. xD

Fearmongering, its already a tactic by left here in the states.

The nonsense you're spewing is what helped a network like CNN become a joke. We've come full circle in this discussion.

Some would argue Obama did some terrible things, objectively. A president making unpopular decisions isn't equal to dictatorship.

No, the things Obama did were nothing in comparison.

He made health insurance widely available, he cared about the environment and our future generations, he worked with his allies to keep the free world safe and he did not bow to dictators. He got Osama bin laden, he didn't tell us how great and powerful Putin is in a shameful bowing display. He was smart and strong.

Trump has done the opposite. He is a menace to the free world. You underestimating how destructive he can be whether by ignorance or malice. That is what will come full circle for you.

Fear mongering has nothing to do with politics. The left is the politic current that cares more about the society, the population, health, education, it's well being. The right is the politic that treats people has sacks of dirt in favor of the rich. It's a crude way of putting it but that is what differentiates them.

Heck your fearmongering arguments mirrors what was said back when Hitler came into power. It's ok, he is not serious, he won't do it... and then a reality check. This is how it begins.

The decline of the US has been brought by the American right. Your political system is a joke (2 parties lol). Your insistence in not opening your eyes is what is leading you down the drain. Heck, you hardly have a left at all because the DMC is more right than left. You have no idea what the left is and you believe the lies the republicans feed you and results in a neutered uneducated population that can be easily controlled and taken advantage of. A joke at your expense.



Illusion on 28 July 2018

Fake News CNN claims that they got banned from the White House because of asking "inappropriate" questions but this turned out to be fake news, big surprise. Not inviting a particular correspondent back to the White House who refuses to follow the rules and breaks protocol does not constitute an attack on the press.

The real attack on the press is the corporate media like CNN butchering what it means to be free and independent. I have never seen such a hoard of anti-American, foreign controlled scum. I am kind of wondering when CNN will finally come clean about who their bosses are and hoist the communist Chinese flag over their headquarters.



Pemalite on 28 July 2018
massimus said:
Pemalite said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index

Well. In this instance, the Government is interfering and limiting an organization.
To me, that is not okay.

Again, I am not pretending to be an expert on American law, but if that was here... Questions would certainly be asked.

Lmao! I see what you did there.

 

Thats funny because she was interfering by yelling questions at him. They didn’t even treat Bush like that and they treated him like shit. Obama got yelled at once about policy and the other media in the room lashed out at the reporter lol. I have never seen any president treated this way on such a daily basis, it’s incredible.

They just don’t see him as a legitimate president and it’s warped. CNN shits on the office and they are nobody, some random corporation. They have no authority over a president. They took to a personal vendetta because he personally attacks their brand. Sometimes for good reason, sometimes just to be an asshole. They lose every time they try to face him though and that’s every day lol. His approval numbers go up despite their constant negative coverage which is tanking their ratings. This has been going on for awhile. 

 

How is he interfering with CNN? Are they not going to play 24/7 Trump coverage now? Of course they will lmao! CNN playing as the victim? Don’t fall for that shit bro, they don’t report the news they make the news. CNN tabloiders can kick rocks. im not an expert either, Americans learn their rights at a young age. Don’t need the wiki lol.

 

Well. I never said the CCN reporter wasn't being an ass. - I don't know much about CNN because they simply don't exist here, but either way. It is what it is.
But you just don't limit press, regardless of what or how they report on something, let the market decide on their outcome instead.



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massimus on 28 July 2018
Pemalite said:
massimus said:

Lmao! I see what you did there.

 

Thats funny because she was interfering by yelling questions at him. They didn’t even treat Bush like that and they treated him like shit. Obama got yelled at once about policy and the other media in the room lashed out at the reporter lol. I have never seen any president treated this way on such a daily basis, it’s incredible.

They just don’t see him as a legitimate president and it’s warped. CNN shits on the office and they are nobody, some random corporation. They have no authority over a president. They took to a personal vendetta because he personally attacks their brand. Sometimes for good reason, sometimes just to be an asshole. They lose every time they try to face him though and that’s every day lol. His approval numbers go up despite their constant negative coverage which is tanking their ratings. This has been going on for awhile. 

 

How is he interfering with CNN? Are they not going to play 24/7 Trump coverage now? Of course they will lmao! CNN playing as the victim? Don’t fall for that shit bro, they don’t report the news they make the news. CNN tabloiders can kick rocks. im not an expert either, Americans learn their rights at a young age. Don’t need the wiki lol.

 

Well. I never said the CCN reporter wasn't being an ass. - I don't know much about CNN because they simply don't exist here, but either way. It is what it is.
But you just don't limit press, regardless of what or how they report on something, let the market decide on their outcome instead.

He didn’t limit the press though. He’s not banning them from reporting anything, he doesn’t have that power. He banned her from attending because she was being an ass at the press conference, not because of what she was going to report on. I get what you are saying and I generally agree but that’s not the case here.



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Machiavellian on 28 July 2018
coolbeans said:

HuffPo article: 

Fox News To Add ‘For Entertainment Purposes Only' Disclaimer

"Editor's note: Happy (belated) April Fool's Day. This story was originally published in 2017."

Haha this is just too funny.  So, let me get this straight: after going on a paragraph-long tirade indirectly pegging me as just another bullsh***er on these threads throwing out links without reading the source material...you decide to...base the entirety of your first argument on an April Fool's joke article?  It only took your next response on this thread to harm whatever credibility you may have had.  Either that or this is some "ZOMG Trump-level 4D chess"/trolling you're trying to pull off to confuse me; if so, congrats on actually living up to your username.  For now, I'm going to have to assume it's the former b/c you appear to stress the point in all seriousness.

Your assessment of that 2nd link leaves a lot to be desired.  For one, you're also overemphasizing the logistical/timing dilemma w/ Feinberg interview.  And even IF CNN WASN'T initially included, Dag Vega (part of Obama WH) specifically states "we prefer if you skip Fox News please" in an official email.  This is pretty much in line with what I've said before: "[Obama admin] attempting to actively bar FOX from pool coverage of interviews with Feinberg."  And the fact remains this only got redressed after all other media outlets pulled out unless Fox was allowed in the pool as well (as brought up by the NYT in that Judicial Watch link as well).  I know we've done a lot of straying into whataboutism since I responded here, but I've got to say...this kind of leniency would never be afforded to Trump admin.  I know we have a more cut-n-dry situation brought up in this thread--which is definitely bad, but even if it were more indirect like the situation I've presented: it would be open season by certain people on here.  

Yeah, you're about 3 hours late on that one.  I already admitted to jumping the gun with that link and relying on the person who got kicked out (biased source who didn't disclose all the info).

LOL, you got me on the "Satire of Fox News being only entertainment".  Just checking to see if you were paying attention.  My point still stands that even that first link was nothing but an opinion piece.  When you have a network that does things like this and want respect from the white house I would believe you would see push back.  

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/902358401321115648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gq.com%2Fstory%2Fbarack-obama-tan-suit-anniversary

Or this

https://www.newsweek.com/barack-obama-donald-trump-russia-investigation-dijon-mustard-scandal-fox-fake-623643

Negative coverage is one thing, when you have to invent your scandals is something different.  Either way, you are correct that Obama administration did not favor Fox but do not forget that Obama was not giving any leeway during his term. 

I agree that Trump gets a lot of hate but then again I also believe he fuels it.  Trump is the only president that does not use his media department to release statements instead Tweeting out any thought that come to his head.  We have seen what happens when people use Twitter, facebook or any other social media platform to convey their thoughts without thinking first on what they are saying.  Trump tweets out statements and we need people to interpret what he means.  If you are a Trump supporter you look for the more favorable line, if you are not supporter you see it the most negative.  If you cannot clearly convey your thoughts properly and its up to the listener to interpret what you say, there will always be conflict.



Machiavellian on 28 July 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
melbye said:
It's Just so funny how much he hates CNN

Many of us feel CNN is garbage television. Frankly, it feels justified because CNN destroyed their own credibility.

Its also worth noting CNN's ratings have declined because there is no reason to watch it unless you really enjoy Trump bashing. Which is a demographic MSNBC is also vying for.

Would you put Fox news in the same category as CNN.  Just wondering because if CNN is totally Anti Trump, then Fox news would be considered their direct opposite.  If any news site only negative or positive then they both can not be trusted as news sources.



o_O.Q on 28 July 2018
Dgc1808 said:
I can't believe this needs to be clarified...

From https://www.merriam-webster.com

democracy: a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

republic: a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government

These are not incompatible. In fact, the definitions have a lot of overlap and the US system fits both definition. The fact that we elect representatives to legislate rather than have the people legislate directly still fits the definition of democracy.

It's a Democratic Republic.

you forgot that the american people must abide by the constitution which is not democratic at all and thank god for that

when the american people are ultimately duped into throwing away the constitution is when the floodgates will really open and shit will really hit the fan 



o_O.Q on 28 July 2018
Nem said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Fearmongering, its already a tactic by left here in the states.

The nonsense you're spewing is what helped a network like CNN become a joke. We've come full circle in this discussion.

Some would argue Obama did some terrible things, objectively. A president making unpopular decisions isn't equal to dictatorship.

No, the things Obama did were nothing in comparison.

He made health insurance widely available, he cared about the environment and our future generations, he worked with his allies to keep the free world safe and he did not bow to dictators. He got Osama bin laden, he didn't tell us how great and powerful Putin is in a shameful bowing display. He was smart and strong.

Trump has done the opposite. He is a menace to the free world. You underestimating how destructive he can be whether by ignorance or malice. That is what will come full circle for you.

Fear mongering has nothing to do with politics. The left is the politic current that cares more about the society, the population, health, education, it's well being. The right is the politic that treats people has sacks of dirt in favor of the rich. It's a crude way of putting it but that is what differentiates them.

Heck your fearmongering arguments mirrors what was said back when Hitler came into power. It's ok, he is not serious, he won't do it... and then a reality check. This is how it begins.

The decline of the US has been brought by the American right. Your political system is a joke (2 parties lol). Your insistence in not opening your eyes is what is leading you down the drain. Heck, you hardly have a left at all because the DMC is more right than left. You have no idea what the left is and you believe the lies the republicans feed you and results in a neutered uneducated population that can be easily controlled and taken advantage of. A joke at your expense.

"he didn't tell us how great and powerful Putin is in a shameful bowing display."

do you have a link for this? or did you just pull that from the aether?

 

"he cared about the environment and our future generations"

the man who launched more drone strikes than any other cared about the environment? do go on, expand upon this some more please

 

"he did not bow to dictators."

i'm sure that the people in the wreck of a country lybia is now are totally thankful that obama bombed them to oblivion

 

" You underestimating how destructive he can be whether by ignorance or malice. "

evidence?

 

"The left is the politic current that cares more about the society, the population, health, education, it's well being. "

"The decline of the US has been brought by the American right. "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxoIV5KCoOo

 

"Heck your fearmongering arguments mirrors what was said back when Hitler came into power. It's ok, he is not serious, he won't do it"

bullshit, hitler was enthusiastically brought into power

what people like you never understand is that the threat is coming from where you do not expect, which is actually why hitler was so popular

its also hilariously ironic that hitler championed some of the same values often pushed by the left

 

"You have no idea what the left is and you believe the lies the republicans feed you and results in a neutered uneducated population"

 

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Pemalite on 28 July 2018
massimus said:
Pemalite said:

Well. I never said the CCN reporter wasn't being an ass. - I don't know much about CNN because they simply don't exist here, but either way. It is what it is.
But you just don't limit press, regardless of what or how they report on something, let the market decide on their outcome instead.

He didn’t limit the press though. He’s not banning them from reporting anything, he doesn’t have that power. He banned her from attending because she was being an ass at the press conference, not because of what she was going to report on. I get what you are saying and I generally agree but that’s not the case here.

Hence why I stipulated I don't know much about American law or news. - Just giving my own perspective on things.
And good to know.



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