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mjk45 on 24 July 2018
HomokHarcos said:

I find a brain for breakfast and he explained why football failed to catch in some countries.

Interestingly, many countries where it's not the most popular sport were formerly part of the British Empire:  United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India.

I'll summarize them.

Ireland: Due to Anglophobia, native sports such as curling and Gaelic football were promoted by Irish nationalists.
Canada: The cold climate lead to ice hockey becoming the dominant sport.
United States: Baseball was the first major professional sport, American football became the dominant sport and basketball became the urban sport of participation.
India: Cricket became popular in India due to consistent competition with commonwealth countries such as England and Australia from their test nation status.
Australia: Due to Australia's physical isolation, the native sport of Australian rules became popular. Cricket remained popular due to a similar reason as India.

I know he didn't explain Japan in the video, but baseball became the dominant sport there because Americans brought the sport there and baseball became the main game at university campuses.

I have to challenge the Cricket assumption from Australia's stand point cricket did not become popular because of commonwealth nations  and their test status  since pre ww2  International cricket was dominated by Australia v England Ashes tests  , modern  Ashes tests evolved from these 19th century English v Australia matches all the tours where private enterprises in that time with each player receiving money from the enterprise.  

Cricket in 19th  century Australia was popular enough for private parties to form Tours with the knowledge that they would redeem the tours costs and still make large profit's, these early  tests with England losing at home  lead to the burning of the bails and England v Australian tests becoming the Ashes  shows that the popularity predated International Test cricket that we know today and it comes back to down to  colonisers introducing and popularising games they brought with them.

My take on AFL is the foundation clubs are among  the oldest if not the oldest football clubs in the world predating association football.

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TheWPCTraveler on 25 July 2018
Ka-pi96 said:
The premise is wrong. It's not that football hasn't caught on in those countries. It's just that it hasn't done so yet. It's inevitable really though

Speaking for the Philippines, you lost your chance when the Azkals failed to become a viable team in international play. At least the sport caught on in Negros Island, and the sport draws big crowds there.

What's been catching on here lately is volleyball, and not just any volleyball. Women's volleyball - and I'm inclined to understand, since longer rallies and crazy saves are more common (as I remember from my experience) in women's volleyball as opposed to men's volleyball.



 
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Player2 on 25 July 2018
Ka-pi96 said:

Wouldn't mind them in Europe actually. Although aside from there already being a load of games to play, European regions aren't really big enough for a regional competition to be worthwhile. It would even make sense in some countries, like a Catalan championship for Spain, but that would effectively just be giving Barcelona a free trophy every year so there's no point to actually doing it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Catalunya



outlawauron on 25 July 2018
pastro243 said:
mZuzek said:

Yes, players moving to European teams from everywhere in the world, including South America, is why the European teams are stronger. Acknowledge that doesn't suddenly make the European teams not stronger.

Also, I'm not too knowledgeable on São Paulo's club world cup victories, but I'm pretty sure they won one over a team you didn't even mention. You're also calling the Champions League "EuroCup", so yeah, not a lot of reliability there.

Edit: and no, no team goes to a club world cup with the intent to lose, but it is undeniable fact that south american teams are usually far more hungry to win. As a (sort of) Brazilian who supports an English club, I know how people feel about it here, and it's quite obvious how they feel about it there. Here, when a team wins the Libertadores, everyone's thoughts seem to be divided on celebrating the trophy and celebrating the qualification for the club world cup. It's kind of a sad sight really, because the Libertadores is a much better and more relevant competition, but that's how it is. For European teams, winning the Champions League is the end-all be-all. When a team wins it, everyone involved celebrates only the trophy, no one even remotely thinks about the club world cup. Furthermore, they have even less reason to give a crap about the club world cup because it takes place midway through their season, which means they have a couple of extra matches and a hell of a long trip halfway through the season to worry about when they're usually just trying to get league games done - this is especially true for English teams, because besides not having a winter break, winter itself is usually the busiest period of the season, so by adding the club world cup in there it makes their whole schedule a mess.

It's true. But I'd also say Brazilian and Argentinian championships are not that far behind european leagues. Certainly La Liga, Premier, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 are better, but after that you could argue Brasileirao is better than Portuguese league or Edervise. 

What do you have to support this? I've never seen anyone try to equate these leagues. 



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pastro243 on 26 July 2018
outlawauron said:
pastro243 said:

It's true. But I'd also say Brazilian and Argentinian championships are not that far behind european leagues. Certainly La Liga, Premier, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 are better, but after that you could argue Brasileirao is better than Portuguese league or Edervise. 

What do you have to support this? I've never seen anyone try to equate these leagues. 

Honestly it's just a guess, I don't think there have been many times when they face each other. I base it on the production of players and how they fare when sent to more competitive leagues. I also have the feeling national team coaches value competition in Brasileirao very well, and at least in here in south america, argentina and brazil are like the stepping stone to reach visibility to end up in the top 5 leagues in europe. 

I'm sure with Edervise and Portuguese league it's kinda the same, but that's why I think they are in comparable level and it wouldn't be crazy to say one is better than another 



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Dark_Lord_2008 on 27 July 2018

Upcoming World Cup in USA/Canada and Mexico in 2026. Soccer/football definitely has growth potential due to the hype and marketing to promote the sport. Upgraded/new stadiums will attract more fans and players in the US and Canada.