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SuaveSocialist said:
CaptainExplosion said:

What's that supposed to mean?

The bold part?  Picture North Korea but as a Western nation, starring Kim-Jong Drumpf as a caricature of NK's despotic ruler.   
That's the current state of the former US of A.

No, Trump is many things but he is no Kim Jong Un. Kim Jong Un does what he wants and has those assassinated who don't back him. Government bureaucracy isn't that big of an issue in North Korea since one guy is in charge and he appoints everybody else to all the high positions and the Workers' Party of Korea isn't going to dispute Kim because they know better. Donald Trump on the other hand has enough trouble getting legislation passed even though his own party controls both the house and senate. I think he still hasn't filled all the positions in his cabinet. A lot of people have quit or have been fired from the White House over the last 18 months. Donald Trump quickly learned that running a bureaucratic government is not the same as running a business. In that sense, what's going on with Trump isn't really all that different than other modern US Presidents. However, one big difference is there is a geopolitical shift going on in the world right now, though it would have happened wether Trump was President or not.



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Jumpin said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Most of the US didn't even voted for him. To get technical, a republican president haven't won the popular vote since 1989. People need to start voting out the republican senators.

Does that not seem like a gigantic problem?
Why is the US bending over for someone they don't even consider him a legitimate President? Why did you grant him dictatorial (or executive) powers? You should have never let him in any office, but now have had more than a year and a half of basically what amounts to a child leading the country.
Everyone knows what kind of moron Trump is. Letting him take charge of the whole country, that's all on the US.

Trump is the legitimate President. He got more electoral votes than Clinton. The popular vote doesn't matter. This is because he actually campaigned in the areas where he knew he needed to win. Hillary Clinton on the other hand ran a terrible campaign. She didn't campaign where she needed to. She stuck mostly to the left-leaning costal cities. She was stupid enough to actually believe the polls even though they've been terribly wrong in the past. She called roughly half of the voting population deplorable. You know, the people she needed votes from. She pretty much controlled the DNC and cheated and was later exposed for it. She also had a lot of baggage on her when she ran because of all the scandals that have been building up over the years. It also doesn't help that a lot of friends and foes who have crossed her path over the years have ended up dead. Now she has to live with the embarrassment that her dumb ass let Donald Trump win.

Also, the person who posted before you was wrong. George W. Bush won the popular vote when he ran for re-election in 2004. That also goes to show how badly John Kerry sucked. Bush was not a popular President in '04 and yet the other guy made him look good.



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It's disappointing that Trump is still trying to provoke Iran even though their current leader is one of the most progressive and moderate you could find in a country like Iran. Much unlike the mad man Ahmadineschad before him.

Rohani is a leader you can at least talk to, but all Trump does is attack him and his country (starting from even before he became president).



irstupid said:
chapset said:
It's also clearly an atempt to make you guys forget about how ''pussy'' he was infront of putin. Did Iran do any provocation that would warrant that time of response

Iran gave a speech last night where the president of Iran said something along the lines of a war with the US would be the war of wars.

Trump didn't just randomly decide to threaten Iran. He took that speech as Iran threatening us and thus he responded as the OP showed.

Close.  Rouhani said, "American must understand well that peace with Iran is the mother of all peace and war with Iran is the mother of all wars."

Trump only heard war and went Twitter ballistic, as it were.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

Jon-Erich said:
Jumpin said:

Does that not seem like a gigantic problem?
Why is the US bending over for someone they don't even consider him a legitimate President? Why did you grant him dictatorial (or executive) powers? You should have never let him in any office, but now have had more than a year and a half of basically what amounts to a child leading the country.
Everyone knows what kind of moron Trump is. Letting him take charge of the whole country, that's all on the US.

Trump is the legitimate President. He got more electoral votes than Clinton. The popular vote doesn't matter. This is because he actually campaigned in the areas where he knew he needed to win. Hillary Clinton on the other hand ran a terrible campaign. She didn't campaign where she needed to. She stuck mostly to the left-leaning costal cities. She was stupid enough to actually believe the polls even though they've been terribly wrong in the past. She called roughly half of the voting population deplorable. You know, the people she needed votes from. She pretty much controlled the DNC and cheated and was later exposed for it. She also had a lot of baggage on her when she ran because of all the scandals that have been building up over the years. It also doesn't help that a lot of friends and foes who have crossed her path over the years have ended up dead. Now she has to live with the embarrassment that her dumb ass let Donald Trump win.

Also, the person who posted before you was wrong. George W. Bush won the popular vote when he ran for re-election in 2004. That also goes to show how badly John Kerry sucked. Bush was not a popular President in '04 and yet the other guy made him look good.

We know that the popular vote doesn't matter for the US presidential election, but you really need to ask yourself if that's a very democratic system.
Democracy means that all the power comes from its people and when you have a president that has less legitimacy because there were less people voting for said person, that's really questionable.
And I didn't even start the fact that you cannot even directly vote for a specific candidate, even though the ballot says otherwise...



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Barozi said:
It's disappointing that Trump is still trying to provoke Iran even though their current leader is one of the most progressive and moderate you could find in a country like Iran. Much unlike the mad man Ahmadineschad before him.

Rohani is a leader you can at least talk to, but all Trump does is attack him and his country (starting from even before he became president).

I second this. Rouhani was very pro-West, was trying hard to mend ties and Zarif even had a solid relationship with John Kerry. Many of Iran's actions are inexcusable, but Rouhani's hands were mostly tied and he had to face significant resistance from the most radical hardliners to enact change.

If Americans needed to vilify Iran for their domestic gains, at least they could have targeted the Supreme Leader instead of the President (who will likely fall in favor of another hardliner).

Anyone with common sense could have seen that coming. But hey, whatever to spite Obama and the EU.



Barozi said:
Jon-Erich said:

Trump is the legitimate President. He got more electoral votes than Clinton. The popular vote doesn't matter. This is because he actually campaigned in the areas where he knew he needed to win. Hillary Clinton on the other hand ran a terrible campaign. She didn't campaign where she needed to. She stuck mostly to the left-leaning costal cities. She was stupid enough to actually believe the polls even though they've been terribly wrong in the past. She called roughly half of the voting population deplorable. You know, the people she needed votes from. She pretty much controlled the DNC and cheated and was later exposed for it. She also had a lot of baggage on her when she ran because of all the scandals that have been building up over the years. It also doesn't help that a lot of friends and foes who have crossed her path over the years have ended up dead. Now she has to live with the embarrassment that her dumb ass let Donald Trump win.

Also, the person who posted before you was wrong. George W. Bush won the popular vote when he ran for re-election in 2004. That also goes to show how badly John Kerry sucked. Bush was not a popular President in '04 and yet the other guy made him look good.

We know that the popular vote doesn't matter for the US presidential election, but you really need to ask yourself if that's a very democratic system.
Democracy means that all the power comes from its people and when you have a president that has less legitimacy because there were less people voting for said person, that's really questionable.
And I didn't even start the fact that you cannot even directly vote for a specific candidate, even though the ballot says otherwise...

The problem is if you allow more direct democracy, then New York, California and Texas would always decide the election while states like Wyoming, Montana and others would effectively have no real representation. How is that fair? The truth is no matter how you slice it, democracy isn't really fair at all since the majority will always dictate their will to the minority. This is why America's Founders saw democracy as a necessary evil rather than an actual system that government should be based on. By providing a bill of rights and being more focused on liberty, it serves as a measure to counter democracy. Democracy is only there because there is no other effective way to put leaders into office without having a formal dictatorship. Besides, since the US adopted it's current constitution in 1787, there have only been five elections where the President-elect did not get the majority of the vote so it isn't like it happens all the time. 



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Jon-Erich said:

She called roughly half of the voting population deplorable. You know, the people she needed votes from.

She called Trump supporters deplorable.  You know, the people that were already going to vote for Trump.  Unless you truly believe that while those people heavily supported Trump were secretly going to vote Clinton but then changed their mind when she called them deplorable.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

Trump few years ago was against all this war and death now he is in office he has been given his orders, In fact he spoke out agianst going to war in middle east. I guess the zionist lobby is very strong in USA. Iran hasnt hurt anyone i cant recall any war etc apart from the iran iraq war which shoyldnt have happened



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Jumpin said:

This is why you don't put fat stupid children in charge of any country. The US needs to fix their electoral system, Trump is proof something is seriously wrong with it.

 

It is good that so many people realize now that Trump going full retard is a bad thing.

He's beyond full retard. He's a brain tumor trying to pass itself off as a human being.

deskpro2k3 said:

Trump could've said something more diplomatic than that instead of the beating the chest kind of talk on twitter. On the other hand, war with Iran is a whole other ball game, you can fit both Iraq, and Afghanistan in it, and probably 2-3 Texas in there as well.

Allies with Iran, or at least very friendly.
1 Iraq.
2 Lebanon.
3 Palestinian Authority.
4 Russia.
5 Syria.
6 Venezuela.
7 Serbia.
8 China.
9 N.Korea.
10 Oman.

So all those countries are raving nuclear anti-Semites too?

Barozi said:
It's disappointing that Trump is still trying to provoke Iran even though their current leader is one of the most progressive and moderate you could find in a country like Iran. Much unlike the mad man Ahmadineschad before him.

Rohani is a leader you can at least talk to, but all Trump does is attack him and his country (starting from even before he became president).

An Iranian leader that's progressive? That's like a Klansman with a soul. eg. No such thing.

Before anybody asks, no, that doesn't mean I want Iran nuked.



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