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HollyGamer said:

Simple just build a system like Azure, SONY is not as rich like Microsoft but they can afford if it for making money.  Or the easiest one, work with Google, Oracle, or Amazon. 

I dont think Sony can afford investing multi billions in a network that will only really benefit there gaming department. PS alone wont turn that figure around any time soon.

MS use Azure for many reasons and actually there gaming Division has little input for it. MS make there money on Azure via other means, something Sony as a corp isnt involved in. Sony is a tech giant not a software giant, a cloud service similar to Azure/Amazon would cost a fortune and wont benefit Sony that much as a whole and PS i dont think will be enough to make back that amount of investments unless they find multiple means for it.

$30b is a huge chunk out of Sony plus its not something i think they can build soon. Will wait and see on there appoach, maybe they will bite the bullet and invest, maybe they will rent the service out, or maybe they wont go the Streaming route. All just assumptions for now.



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Azzanation said:
HollyGamer said:

Simple just build a system like Azure, SONY is not as rich like Microsoft but they can afford if it for making money.  Or the easiest one, work with Google, Oracle, or Amazon. 

I dont think Sony can afford investing multi billions in a network that will only really benefit there gaming department. PS alone wont turn that figure around any time soon.

MS use Azure for many reasons and actually there gaming Division has little input for it. MS make there money on Azure via other means, something Sony as a corp isnt involved in. Sony is a tech giant not a software giant, a cloud service similar to Azure/Amazon would cost a fortune and wont benefit Sony that much as a whole and PS i dont think will be enough to make back that amount of investments unless they find multiple means for it.

$30b is a huge chunk out of Sony plus its not something i think they can build soon. Will wait and see on there appoach, maybe they will bite the bullet and invest, maybe they will rent the service out, or maybe they wont go the Streaming route. All just assumptions for now.

The key is "investment "If it's making money SONY will surely investing weather a gaming or service data and etc. The future model already in the course of software and Internet Service. Even if they are only making the cloud system for gaming only they will make it. And don't forget SONY isn't just making games and consoles, SONY has Music,  Movie , Money Insurance , and  a long with Health care business. Building a cloud system has been in their goal and their mind set business and will surely inline with their goal. PlayStation is not just a consoles, they are making a brand , a brand that sells big. 

Although Azzure are big and SONY might not able to create the same thing, It doesn't mean SONY cannot compete directly. SONY is still big in electronic Industries and their assets is getting bigger and closer to Microsoft. I am sure they have a though on that already. The question is how and when will they announce it. But i am pretty sure we will get to the point that cloud service , streaming and data sharing become mainstream. 



mjk45 said:
HollyGamer said:

Simple just build a system like Azure, SONY is not as rich like Microsoft but they can afford if it for making money.  Or the easiest one, work with Google, Oracle, or Amazon. 

It brings up the question of whether or not Sony should  do more to position itself in the tech space , this issue has become more  pertinent than ever. In today's world of Google , MS,Facebook , Amazon etal, old company structures no longer cut the mustard.

In software and Internet service front SONY is behind , but they will eventually catching up. The problem is they are recovering from the money crisis they had from the PS3 era. Also they are now transitioning their business model to a service. I believe by how they choose the new PlayStation CEO , they will invest big in cloud and gaming as a service. At the moment they just building PS brand as big as they can until the infrastructure (Cloud system, and Internet Speed )  ready and fast enough and they will go purely on service. 



HollyGamer said:
mjk45 said:

It brings up the question of whether or not Sony should  do more to position itself in the tech space , this issue has become more  pertinent than ever. In today's world of Google , MS,Facebook , Amazon etal, old company structures no longer cut the mustard.

In software and Internet service front SONY is behind , but they will eventually catching up. The problem is they are recovering from the money crisis they had from the PS3 era. Also they are now transitioning their business model to a service. I believe by how they choose the new PlayStation CEO , they will invest big in cloud and gaming as a service. At the moment they just building PS brand as big as they can until the infrastructure (Cloud system, and Internet Speed )  ready and fast enough and they will go purely on service. 

There's no "catching up" and there's really no need to. Microsoft has a constant stream of revenue from their business software / cloud services and nearly no competition. This has absolutely nothing to do with the Xbox division which is the one in direct competition with SIE.

Until someone else comes up as a competitor to Windows and MS Office, they are just in a different league. 

 

Sony Corp mkt cap - $60B

Microsoft mkt cap - $750B



setsunatenshi said:
HollyGamer said:

In software and Internet service front SONY is behind , but they will eventually catching up. The problem is they are recovering from the money crisis they had from the PS3 era. Also they are now transitioning their business model to a service. I believe by how they choose the new PlayStation CEO , they will invest big in cloud and gaming as a service. At the moment they just building PS brand as big as they can until the infrastructure (Cloud system, and Internet Speed )  ready and fast enough and they will go purely on service. 

There's no "catching up" and there's really no need to. Microsoft has a constant stream of revenue from their business software / cloud services and nearly no competition. This has absolutely nothing to do with the Xbox division which is the one in direct competition with SIE.

Until someone else comes up as a competitor to Windows and MS Office, they are just in a different league. 

 

Sony Corp mkt cap - $60B

Microsoft mkt cap - $750B

Yeah agree, but i am talking about asset 



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HollyGamer said:

The key is "investment "If it's making money SONY will surely investing weather a gaming or service data and etc. The future model already in the course of software and Internet Service. Even if they are only making the cloud system for gaming only they will make it. And don't forget SONY isn't just making games and consoles, SONY has Music,  Movie , Money Insurance , and  a long with Health care business. Building a cloud system has been in their goal and their mind set business and will surely inline with their goal. PlayStation is not just a consoles, they are making a brand , a brand that sells big. 

Although Azzure are big and SONY might not able to create the same thing, It doesn't mean SONY cannot compete directly. SONY is still big in electronic Industries and their assets is getting bigger and closer to Microsoft. I am sure they have a though on that already. The question is how and when will they announce it. But i am pretty sure we will get to the point that cloud service , streaming and data sharing become mainstream. 

Of couese investing can be a smart idea, but only if it suits there buisness model. Gaming wouldnt be enough to sustain the giant investment of a Azure competitor. Maybe Sony can utilize there Cloud network for there other buisnesses too, but would it really make a difference to what they use now? I mean $30b on a Cloud network is half of Sonys Market cap.. if it fails than they will be screwed. Its probably easier to just rent a Cloud network out or slowly build upon Gaikai but that will take time.

Im sure Sony have other things they would want to spend $30b on. Will wait and see. Maybe they might invest.



mjk45 said:
Pemalite said:

Sony can also rent out Azure.
If Microsoft succeeds in this endeavor, it will end up being fantastic advertisement for one of their most lucrative and fastest growing businesses.

I'm not up to speed with how azure and other cloud businesses are  structured ,but  would I be right in thinking the biggest factor in cost and  the reason azure is worldwide is  its focus isn't just gaming  whereas  Now is specific and Sony if it just keeps to game streaming could expand it at considerably less cost since it doesn't need to replicate azure in it's entirety to gain coverage , like Pemalite said it could rent from Azure or Amazon what it needed  leaving them space  to consider how they move forward with it's Now network , plus if its a slow take off  they only need to rent  enough to cover their needs.

Well. Azure is incredibly modular.
But you are right, cost is the biggest factor here, Microsoft simply has more online businesses, more infrastructure and more money than Sony.

Microsoft does also rent some of the same big fat internet pipes (Like Akami) that Sony does, Microsoft just buys more bandwidth in Bulk.

HollyGamer said:

Or SONY can work with Google, it's not like Microsoft who only have Cloud system around the world 

That is of course an option.
But I was trying to place a strong emphasis that there is also zero reason why they couldn't use Microsoft's Azure.

HoloDust said:

I have to admit I really don't have a clue were collision detection comes in game engines, and what other steps CPU has to finish before getting to collision - my assumption (probably erroneous) is it needs to do the whole game logic locally and then send data to cloud for rendering, from which I draw conclusion that it needs same or similar CPU as full Scarlet.

Almost. A big chunk of CPU time is due to stuff like Draw Calls, if that is done server time, then that is significantly less CPU time needed locally.

But... Then again, Microsoft may have thought of something I haven't, they surprised me with a few aspects of how they achieved backwards compatibility for instance, they really do have some amazing software engineers.

setsunatenshi said:

@bold: that's all fine in theory, but I heard that same story a few years ago and the game that was supposed to display the "Powah of teh cl0ud" has been in development hell for years now (Crackdown 3).

I don't see the technology existing that could eliminate the inevitable lag by outsourcing processing power to a remote machine in some server farm. Yeah, maybe "drivatars" or cloud movement in the sky, but nothing that would massively impact the gameplay.

We'll see in a year or so.

It isn't "Theory" I highly suggest you take a look into nVidia's cloud based rendering approaches.
The technology for this exists today and has been demonstrated today.



Why streaming-only instead of digital-only? What are the pros, other than not allowing people to own their content?



pitzy272 said:
Why streaming-only instead of digital-only? What are the pros, other than not allowing people to own their content?

Same reason that people rent a plethora of other items convenience, Some people like to own some like to rent, for a lot of renters it enables, them to have a smorgasbord of content to choose from and the ability to pick and choose without the outlay of buying every game it's not for everyone but it's a big appeal the cons at the moment is lag and then you have to take bandwidth into account for peak periods, if tv streaming services can falter under weight of numbers at popular events I imagine gaming would be just as bad just look at the chaos we have seen with peak online.

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I’m wholly interested in a digital-only device. Not st all interested in a streaming-only device. Also, I wonder if Net Neutrality will ever play a role in game streaming?



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