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DonFerrari on 20 July 2018
Flilix said:
Israel has been a problem for decades. The change to a fully Jewish state isn't really a big deal, but it's yet another step in the wrong direction. There have been a lot of these steps recently, and it's getting very worrisome now.

As long as Europe and the US keep defending the Jewish people instead of trying to be neutral, the situation won't get any better.

Why a step in the wrong direction?

Is there any Arabian country embracing and opening to Jews?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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deskpro2k3 on 20 July 2018
DonFerrari said:
Flilix said:
Israel has been a problem for decades. The change to a fully Jewish state isn't really a big deal, but it's yet another step in the wrong direction. There have been a lot of these steps recently, and it's getting very worrisome now.

As long as Europe and the US keep defending the Jewish people instead of trying to be neutral, the situation won't get any better.

Why a step in the wrong direction?

Is there any Arabian country embracing and opening to Jews?

Jews in Iran, close to Azerbaijan, are free to practice their religion, and they have a seat in the government.  ever heard of Persian Jews? But Iran and Israel, do not have diplomatic relations. 

Jews, Christians and Arabs used to live in Palestine. Now the Palestinian Christians, and Arabs are living like second-class citizens.

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DonFerrari on 20 July 2018
deskpro2k3 said:
DonFerrari said:

Why a step in the wrong direction?

Is there any Arabian country embracing and opening to Jews?

Jews in Iran, close to Azerbaijan, are free to practice their religion. But Iran and Israel, do not have diplomatic relations. 

Jews, Christians and Arabs used to live in Palestine. Now the Palestinian Christians, and Arabs are living like second-class citizens.

Because Arab isn't an official language?

In how many Arab countries is Hebrew official language? Or in how many countries besides Israel?

Is Jew a respected and represented people in all Arabic countries?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

deskpro2k3 on 20 July 2018
DonFerrari said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Jews in Iran, close to Azerbaijan, are free to practice their religion. But Iran and Israel, do not have diplomatic relations. 

Jews, Christians and Arabs used to live in Palestine. Now the Palestinian Christians, and Arabs are living like second-class citizens.

Because Arab isn't an official language?

In how many Arab countries is Hebrew official language? Or in how many countries besides Israel?

Is Jew a respected and represented people in all Arabic countries?

Seriously, I answered one thing and next thing you know it's a chain of questions. No I'm not going to answer anymore. 



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numberwang on 20 July 2018

Talking of genocide, the Arab population is growing fast and probably already larger than the Jewish population in the greater Israel/Palestine region.

http://www.terrasanta.net/tsx/articolo.jsp?wi_number=4683&wi_codseq=%20%20%20%20%20%20&language=en



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DonFerrari on 20 July 2018
numberwang said:

Talking of genocide, the Arab population is growing fast and probably already larger than the Jewish population in the greater Israel/Palestine region.

http://www.terrasanta.net/tsx/articolo.jsp?wi_number=4683&wi_codseq=%20%20%20%20%20%20&language=en

This is a new trend, genocide by increased birth. Really horrible. The negative deaths are scarry.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

HylianSwordsman on 20 July 2018

Can I support the human beings living in Palestine without supporting the terrorist organizations there? Can I support the existence of Israel without supporting Zionism? I'm not sure I'm allowed to anymore. Feels like both sides want all or nothing support for one nation and opposition to the other nowadays and I'm just a fascist/communist anti-Semite/Islamaphobe if I take a moderate position.

OP, please don't use the term apartheid lightly. To my knowledge, the have no plans to put armbands on Arabs, but yes, the irony if they did would be sickening, and there is already irony in their current positions. It is headed in a dangerously Zionist direction. It is not apartheid yet, and you can criticize the policies without using that term.

Speaking of apartheid and the abused becoming the abusers, take a look at South Africa right now and what they're doing to white people. While I wouldn't use the term apartheid to describe Israel, I do agree with OP that Israel is at least headed in a similar direction of the abused becoming the abusers. This is why politics based on identity, be that a racial one, religious one, or otherwise, is toxic to human rights, free and fair democracies, and stable civilizations and societies.



adidas198 on 20 July 2018
Aeolus451 said:
Mar1217 said:

No, but you can't look at the political situation in Israel and suddenly tell yourself that everything's A ok.

Israel has removed humans rights from the Palestinians since the 2nd Israel-Palestinia war and of course threathing them like crap, discrimanating them and forced a colonisation/assimilation of West Bank into Israel ever since gradually, by locking Palestinians into walls to force them to quit their territory.

Removing Arabic as official language is just another symbolic trust into the hypocrisy that has become this country.

Tell youself "lefties hating on Jews" if that makes you happy but it's not a matter that can denied by ignorance/indifference.

It's not okay but not in the way you describe it. Human rights? That's really cute.... The Palestinians elected a terrorist organization that wants to wipe out the jews by any means. They use their own people as human shields and strap bombs to their own kids. They don't share any of our values (like gay rights, women's rights, religious rights) while Israel does. So I'm supposed to ignore what Hamas actively does over an ally who shares our values just because of their spat over territory? No.

  If you strap a bomb to kids to be used as suicide bombers, I don't care what you think or how you feel anymore. If you use women and kids as human shields, I ran out of shits to give about you losing territory. Again, no. I'm not gonna support any group or people who are clearly antithetical to western values.

Gee the Palestinians elected someone radical because Israel has been wanting to get rid of Palestinians and been treating them like shit for the longest time. Israel will literally shoot unarmed kids and old people protesting, they wear shirts of pregnant Palestinian women with a target on them saying one shot two kills, and not to mention the disproportionate response to whatever attacks they receive. Just watch the Joe Rogan podcast about what really goes on over there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCRefZ1_yNY



adidas198 on 20 July 2018
Slimebeast said:
Israel is the only homeland for Jews. Israel was founded by Jews over three thousand years ago, served as a nation for the Jews for centuries until it got occupied by foreign powers in ancient times. Modern Israel was created as a nation of Jews.

Meanwhile Arabs have plenty of land and dozens of independent nations to settle in.

Israel should remain predominantly Jewish. Call it apartheid or racism but it's morally right.

By that reasoning we Latinos can come to this country because for thousands of years we owned this land?



Wyrdness on 20 July 2018
Slimebeast said:
Israel is the only homeland for Jews. Israel was founded by Jews over three thousand years ago, served as a nation for the Jews for centuries until it got occupied by foreign powers in ancient times. Modern Israel was created as a nation of Jews.

Meanwhile Arabs have plenty of land and dozens of independent nations to settle in.

Israel should remain predominantly Jewish. Call it apartheid or racism but it's morally right.

Actually Israel originally was an Arab region the Jews migrated there from North African countries like Egypt, the Arabs allowed the Jews to stay alongside them to help them escape oppression at the hands of the Pharaohs. The land they're on belonged to the Arabs hence why they're bang in the middle of other Arab nations so it's not morally right going by your stance either.