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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan sales (Week 28) Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - July 9-15, 2018

ryuzaki57 said:

Now that Dengeki is up, the moment you were all waiting for : market share data!!

Shining Resonance (PS3) 93106 (75%)

Shining Resonance Refrain (PS4) 27623 (22%)

Shining Resonance Refrain (NS) 3756 (3%)

I'm puzzled about Octopath's outstanding success. Look at the following pictures

Switch owners had the choice between an old-looking RPG and a modern RPG with waifus, modern graphics & animation, and they massively picked the one with weak graphics. I believe that can send a wrong message to 3rd parties : now SquareEnix or anyone can make a PSOne-looking RPG, slap exclusive + nostalgia on it and say "hey, Switch fans, this is just for you". Result being that Switch would get less and less high-end games and more old-school ones with low production values.

 

Like maybe it has something to do with Octopath getting much better reviews and does a lot of things different, while Shining looks like a Tales Of clone. 



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animegaming said:
ryuzaki57 said:

Now that Dengeki is up, the moment you were all waiting for : market share data!!

Shining Resonance (PS3) 93106 (75%)

Shining Resonance Refrain (PS4) 27623 (22%)

Shining Resonance Refrain (NS) 3756 (3%)

I'm puzzled about Octopath's outstanding success. Look at the following pictures

Switch owners had the choice between an old-looking RPG and a modern RPG with waifus, modern graphics & animation, and they massively picked the one with weak graphics. I believe that can send a wrong message to 3rd parties : now SquareEnix or anyone can make a PSOne-looking RPG, slap exclusive + nostalgia on it and say "hey, Switch fans, this is just for you". Result being that Switch would get less and less high-end games and more old-school ones with low production values.

 

Like maybe it has something to do with Octopath getting much better reviews and does a lot of things different, while Shining looks like a Tales Of clone. 

Along with the fact this is the 3rd time Shining Resonance has been released while Octopath is a brand new title.



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animegaming said:
ryuzaki57 said:

Now that Dengeki is up, the moment you were all waiting for : market share data!!

Shining Resonance (PS3) 93106 (75%)

Shining Resonance Refrain (PS4) 27623 (22%)

Shining Resonance Refrain (NS) 3756 (3%)

I'm puzzled about Octopath's outstanding success. Look at the following pictures

Switch owners had the choice between an old-looking RPG and a modern RPG with waifus, modern graphics & animation, and they massively picked the one with weak graphics. I believe that can send a wrong message to 3rd parties : now SquareEnix or anyone can make a PSOne-looking RPG, slap exclusive + nostalgia on it and say "hey, Switch fans, this is just for you". Result being that Switch would get less and less high-end games and more old-school ones with low production values.

 

Like maybe it has something to do with Octopath getting much better reviews and does a lot of things different, while Shining looks like a Tales Of clone. 

I know this is beting a dead horse, but it pains me so much when I see someone saying that a sprite-based game look weak just for the sake of being a sprite-based game. Even from those images he posted makes Octopath's art style look so much more gorgeous in comparison.



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Jranation said:
ryuzaki57 said:

Now that Dengeki is up, the moment you were all waiting for : market share data!!

Shining Resonance (PS3) 93106 (75%)

Shining Resonance Refrain (PS4) 27623 (22%)

Shining Resonance Refrain (NS) 3756 (3%)

I'm puzzled about Octopath's outstanding success. Look at the following pictures

Switch owners had the choice between an old-looking RPG and a modern RPG with waifus, modern graphics & animation, and they massively picked the one with weak graphics. I believe that can send a wrong message to 3rd parties : now SquareEnix or anyone can make a PSOne-looking RPG, slap exclusive + nostalgia on it and say "hey, Switch fans, this is just for you". Result being that Switch would get less and less high-end games and more old-school ones with low production values.

Sorry but not all Switch owners are a weeb

I mean, he's comparing to two non-mainstream JRPGs. They're appealing to the same niche fanbase. Octopath has broader appeal of course, but you know that Ryuzaki prefers more anime-inspired games than retro-styled games. 



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Mnementh said:
ryuzaki57 said: Switch owners had the choice between an old-looking RPG and a modern RPG with waifus, modern graphics & animation, and they massively picked the one with weak graphics. I believe that can send a wrong message to 3rd parties : now SquareEnix or anyone can make a PSOne-looking RPG, slap exclusive + nostalgia on it and say "hey, Switch fans, this is just for you". Result being that Switch would get less and less high-end games and more old-school ones with low production values.

So the Switch owners in Japan had the choice between a quality game with Metascore 84 and a game with score of 71. So hopefully Square and other publishers get the message and bring more games of higher quality to Switch instead of trying to sidetrack users with flashy animations and waifus.

You guys didn't understand what I was trying to convey here. I'm not saying that Shining Resonance is supposed to be a better RPG than Octopath. Haven't played Octopath so I don't know. Pretty sure it's very appealing though. I just find strange that buyers would so massively disregard the better graphics.

You all watched E3 and saw that publishers tend to keep their most ambitious games exclusive to PS4 & X1. With Switch players not showing interest for graphical prowess, this trend can only continue, implying even less effort from 3rd parties to adapt the big games to Switch.    



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ryuzaki57 said:
Mnementh said:

So the Switch owners in Japan had the choice between a quality game with Metascore 84 and a game with score of 71. So hopefully Square and other publishers get the message and bring more games of higher quality to Switch instead of trying to sidetrack users with flashy animations and waifus.

You guys didn't understand what I was trying to convey here. I'm not saying that Shining Resonance is supposed to be a better RPG than Octopath. Haven't played Octopath so I don't know. Pretty sure it's very appealing though. I just find strange that buyers would so massively disregard the better graphics.

You all watched E3 and saw that publishers tend to keep their most ambitious games exclusive to PS4 & X1. With Switch players not showing interest for graphical prowess, this trend can only continue, implying even less effort from 3rd parties to adapt the big games to Switch.    

You keep ignoring that one is a brand new game, the other is a late port of a late port.



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ryuzaki57 said:
Mnementh said:

So the Switch owners in Japan had the choice between a quality game with Metascore 84 and a game with score of 71. So hopefully Square and other publishers get the message and bring more games of higher quality to Switch instead of trying to sidetrack users with flashy animations and waifus.

You guys didn't understand what I was trying to convey here. I'm not saying that Shining Resonance is supposed to be a better RPG than Octopath. Haven't played Octopath so I don't know. Pretty sure it's very appealing though. I just find strange that buyers would so massively disregard the better graphics.

You all watched E3 and saw that publishers tend to keep their most ambitious games exclusive to PS4 & X1. With Switch players not showing interest for graphical prowess, this trend can only continue, implying even less effort from 3rd parties to adapt the big games to Switch.    

But why do you think it is because of the graphics? Not because what Zorg Said. 

 

Maybe because of how they advertise both of them? 

Did that anime game had a demo? 

Maybe Japanese Switch owners judge more than its graphics? Like.you know the gameplay. 



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ryuzaki57 said:
Mnementh said:

So the Switch owners in Japan had the choice between a quality game with Metascore 84 and a game with score of 71. So hopefully Square and other publishers get the message and bring more games of higher quality to Switch instead of trying to sidetrack users with flashy animations and waifus.

You guys didn't understand what I was trying to convey here. I'm not saying that Shining Resonance is supposed to be a better RPG than Octopath. Haven't played Octopath so I don't know. Pretty sure it's very appealing though. I just find strange that buyers would so massively disregard the better graphics.

You all watched E3 and saw that publishers tend to keep their most ambitious games exclusive to PS4 & X1. With Switch players not showing interest for graphical prowess, this trend can only continue, implying even less effort from 3rd parties to adapt the big games to Switch.    

The problem here is that you don't understand what 'good' & 'bad' graphics are. Or at least you assume your subjective opinion is a widely accepted fact. Look at the vast majority of the reviews and listen to how they describe the visuals. You are the odd one out here.

And for someone with so many posts your simplistic way of looking at this is kind of shocking...