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Nem said:
Jon-Erich said:
First I would like to say that the protests in the UK were a complete failure. I'm sorry, but you guys over there suck at protesting. There weren't hundreds of thousands of protesters like what has been reported. Many of those who were there stayed a short time and left. That baby Trump 'blimp' wasn't a blimp at all. When people heard about a blimp, they were thinking something the size of the Good Year blimp which is about 50 feet long, especially considering that a ridiculous $40,000 was spent on it. This Trump balloon (because that's basically what it is) is maybe bigger than a large van meaning that it couldn't be seen very well in the sky and it flew for only 2 hours. I'm not even sure if Trump got to see it. Meanwhile, Trump seemed to have a good time and got to insult other NATO members for being cheap, which they are. Even Obama complained about this, just in a quieter way. Each member is require to contribute at least 2% of their GDP and most of them aren't doing that. NATO is less of a military alliance and more of a military welfare program that is funded mostly by the American taxpayer.
https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2018/07/20180710_NATO_Expenditure-3.jpg

As far as Russian collusion is concerned, most of the American people don't believe it because the evidence simply hasn't been there. Millions of dollars have been spent on an investigation that has resulted in nothing. A couple of Russians who may or may not has received Kremlin funding were arrested for buying Facebook ads. The funny thing is several of them bought pro-Bernie Sanders ads. That's about it. Micheal Flynn got in a little bit of trouble because he was stupid enough to speak to the FBI without a lawyer and was caught lying due to an inconsistent statement. We haven't heard anything since. As of right now, the investigation isn't even so much a Russian collusion investigation. It has actually turned into the Manafort investigation because Paul Manafort is being investigated for a money laundering scheme for over a decade. We don't even know if he knew Trump back then. It also doesn't help that the recent exposure of corruption within the FBI has led to many American losing trust in the organization.

Beyond the FBI investigation, Trump's actions on the world stage do not show Russian collusion. He bombed Syria earlier this year, Russian ally. He actually made a fool of Putin because Putin threatened retaliation if Trump did anything in Syria and nothing was done. Trump then tore up the Iran deal and placed sanctions back onto Iran. Iran is another Russian ally. He got into a trade war with China, which will do more harm to China than the US. China is a Russian ally. The sanctions against Russia have yet to be lifted. Other than giving the Europeans the cold shoulder, which probably was going to happen regardless of who was President because of the geopolitical realignment that is currently going on, we haven't seen anything that suggests that Trump is a Russian pawn. If he was, then he must have gone rouge because he has done plenty of things that go against Russia's interests.

 

Literally yesterday partial results were shown.

There was a unit disseminating the information to the Trump campaign. Trump campaign officials have already pleaded guilty and are cooperating and yet... this is nothing? I really don't get that line of thought. Trump himself, we don't know how involved he is. But apart from that, he is supporting the Russian agenda and that makes him suspicious, since he did benefit from it.

First of all, what exactly did they plead guilty to? Does it actually have anything to do with the campaign or Russia or is it dirt that has been dug up from years ago like Paul Manafort and his money laundering? Second, when the press says someone is cooperating with the government or the FBI, that doesn't really say anything. All it says is they're open to interviews and discussions. They may be spilling the beans or have absolutely nothing revealing to say. Not being cooperative would imply that they've hired lawyers and they're keeping their mouths shut. As for supporting the Russian agenda, how exactly is Trump supporting the Russian agenda. He bombed Syria, one Russian ally. He tore up the Iran deal and Iran is another Russian ally. He's warming up to Poland and other Eastern European countries and Russia doesn't want that because they want Eastern Europe to be their sphere of influence. Also, since Trump has been in office, there has been an increased NATO presence in Easter Europe and Russia certainly doesn't want that. 



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I don't believe Russia had anything to do with the DNC emails. The Russia hysteria was created by the Clinton campaign for its embarrassing lost to Trump.



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darkenergy said:
I don't believe Russia had anything to do with the DNC emails. The Russia hysteria was created by the Clinton campaign for its embarrassing lost to Trump.

Exactly.

Julian Assange himself clearly hinted that DNC staffer Seth Rich was the source who leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks. And for Julian Assange, it must have been a joy to release those eMails, since he had obvious reasons to hate Clinton and prevent her from becoming president. Assange is just a human, if he had clearly favoured Clinton over Trump, he most probably wouldn't have published the DNC emails, not rather short before the election.

So, ultimately, it was probably Clintons tyrannic "Why don't we simply send death squads to kill people like Assange?" dictator-attitude, and the obvious hatred for Clinton that this must have caused in Assange, that really cost her the presidency.

The whole russia thing on the other hand is just an obvious scapegoat tactic - and considering that the US is trying to influence the outcome of almost every democratic election on this planet, it's also hypocritical to the bone.



a tool needs to be useful for something.

so no Russia don't have him as a tool



 

 

When will people stop believing everything the media says? Like Russia is not an issue for America, Russia is an issue for the deep state. And with Trump trying to drain them out, and Putin helping Trump by providing him 160 TB of information in their last meeting, then of course the corrupt democrats are going to keep pushing this agenda. Just fucking listen to Trump for once in your life, and let him rid this world of its evils (More specifically America, the rest of the world is fucked).
I want a democratic party that isn't led by a bunch of corrupt pigs. I want liberals who actually stand for liberty and not just communism. People read a headline saying 'Trump' and 'Russia', then their panties get in a twist instantly. The man is doing more good than you allow yourself to see.



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russia does not have much in fluence

USA is the most powerful country in the work and POTUS is the most powerful person in the world

this russia meddling thing is a tool of the LEFT



the hate factor, just makes me turn my head and walkaway.
the always hate trump media, the horrible people i never liked or cared for are always hating on trump, it just tells me he is doing the right thing.

if trump was so beholden to russia, its odd they have all these sanctions, diplomats expelled, and we are not being nice to iran which russia does business with. but i dont hold the hate factor others do, so i shrug it off and keep on supporting my man.

china meddled too but where is that? the whole russia thing was created by opposition research by the crooked hillary. its just a fleeting hope of anti trumpers to oust a elected president. which will not be stood for.



 

Nem said:

I don't need convincing.

Even if he is wholly clueless of what he is doing, he is actively doing Russia's bidding to the detriment of his own country.

Most of all, i think he doesn't care one bit about the USA. He only cares about his companies and what he can do with this presidency to benefit himself and his businesses.

I think he's just trying too hard to be a peacemaker. The left tried to push the narrative he was gonna cause WWIII, now he's a tool for our enemies. He went from warmonger to puppet. I'm glad we don't jump to the worst possible conclusions.

Staying out of war and trying to ease tensions is in our benefit, is Europe and Mexico gonna protect us if things go awry? Either way, he got too friendly with Putin and it came off poor.

I'm not gonna have a debate on whether or not he cares about the country, but thus far his policies have simply worked better than those of our closeted socialists leaders before. There is plenty to not like about Trump as a person, but moving away from heavy regulations and taxes is good regardless who's doing it.



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Of course they need to nail the price of the streaming service as well for that to work, it can't be priced anywhere near the crazy high price of Nvidia's GeForce Now game streaming service, which is $25 for 20 hours of playtime as I recall. MS needs to either a. offer per game pricing with both multiple hour based rental tiers options and lifetime access purchase options, with lifetime streaming rights purchases per game being somewhat comparable to the $60 you pay for that game physically; or b. offer a streaming service with cycled games, like Gamepass, but with more new 3rd parties than Gamepass has, for like $30 a month; or c. offer both the service and per game options

 

Immersiveunreality said:
Errorist76 said:

Then we clearly have a different definition of what a decent human being is.

I do not attach political sides and beliefs to only bad or only good,it fluctuates from person to person, it is so shallow to think that everyone on the other camp aren't decent human beings and when people behave like this they can become what they thought hated or fought against.

I have to say that I'm not a fan of Trump, but I totally agree that you cannot casually label the other side indecent human beings.

It's this type of provocative language that just ramps up the whole tribalism thing and creates an ever-deeper divide...



The US has passed a law protecting political donors from identification by removing the requirement of donors of $5000 or more to no longer have to identify themselves. This comes on the heels of NRA being identified as one of the organizations funded by Russia. The Treasury organization responsible for making this rule has been in contact with a Russian agent named Marina Butina, who has been charged.

More dark money in politics from the Republican party.

 

This video explains it a lot better than I have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGus-h0b8TQ

Basically, the US government is corrupt beyond comprehension at this point, and by Russian agents of all people...

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