Quantcast
Why don't you believe that Trump is a Russian tool?

Forums - Politics Discussion - Why don't you believe that Trump is a Russian tool?

Jon-Erich said:
First I would like to say that the protests in the UK were a complete failure. I'm sorry, but you guys over there suck at protesting. There weren't hundreds of thousands of protesters like what has been reported. Many of those who were there stayed a short time and left. That baby Trump 'blimp' wasn't a blimp at all. When people heard about a blimp, they were thinking something the size of the Good Year blimp which is about 50 feet long, especially considering that a ridiculous $40,000 was spent on it. This Trump balloon (because that's basically what it is) is maybe bigger than a large van meaning that it couldn't be seen very well in the sky and it flew for only 2 hours. I'm not even sure if Trump got to see it. Meanwhile, Trump seemed to have a good time and got to insult other NATO members for being cheap, which they are. Even Obama complained about this, just in a quieter way. Each member is require to contribute at least 2% of their GDP and most of them aren't doing that. NATO is less of a military alliance and more of a military welfare program that is funded mostly by the American taxpayer.
https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2018/07/20180710_NATO_Expenditure-3.jpg

As far as Russian collusion is concerned, most of the American people don't believe it because the evidence simply hasn't been there. Millions of dollars have been spent on an investigation that has resulted in nothing. A couple of Russians who may or may not has received Kremlin funding were arrested for buying Facebook ads. The funny thing is several of them bought pro-Bernie Sanders ads. That's about it. Micheal Flynn got in a little bit of trouble because he was stupid enough to speak to the FBI without a lawyer and was caught lying due to an inconsistent statement. We haven't heard anything since. As of right now, the investigation isn't even so much a Russian collusion investigation. It has actually turned into the Manafort investigation because Paul Manafort is being investigated for a money laundering scheme for over a decade. We don't even know if he knew Trump back then. It also doesn't help that the recent exposure of corruption within the FBI has led to many American losing trust in the organization.

Beyond the FBI investigation, Trump's actions on the world stage do not show Russian collusion. He bombed Syria earlier this year, Russian ally. He actually made a fool of Putin because Putin threatened retaliation if Trump did anything in Syria and nothing was done. Trump then tore up the Iran deal and placed sanctions back onto Iran. Iran is another Russian ally. He got into a trade war with China, which will do more harm to China than the US. China is a Russian ally. The sanctions against Russia have yet to be lifted. Other than giving the Europeans the cold shoulder, which probably was going to happen regardless of who was President because of the geopolitical realignment that is currently going on, we haven't seen anything that suggests that Trump is a Russian pawn. If he was, then he must have gone rouge because he has done plenty of things that go against Russia's interests.

 

Literally yesterday partial results were shown.

There was a unit disseminating the information to the Trump campaign. Trump campaign officials have already pleaded guilty and are cooperating and yet... this is nothing? I really don't get that line of thought. Trump himself, we don't know how involved he is. But apart from that, he is supporting the Russian agenda and that makes him suspicious, since he did benefit from it.

Last edited by Nem - on 16 July 2018

Around the Network
Slimebeast said:

Socialists and globalists will smear any leader who protects the independence of his nation and people.

Evert people deserves the right for self determination and to decide his own destiny, but there are strong evil forces that seek to mold all of the world's unique people into a melting pot that lacks culture, tradition and identity.

 

So... separate we are stronger?

Amazing backwards logic completely disregarding the huge amount of human life loss that built the world order that brought us 70 years of peace in the west. But, some can't be bothered with history and just wish to repeat the same mistakes and get stuck in a perpetual cycle of mistakes. We are not all different. We are all the same species. Yet, you go out of your way to find ways to hate others like you.

Besides, i'm sure you were all flowers towards Obama with that logic.

But hey, i can play that game: Conservatives and capitalists will do anything to smear any leader That wishes for the progress and survival of the human species!

You know, it's funny because the USA has always been a melting pot. Who are you? Are you sure you are entitled to be an American? Your ancestors were not from that land. They were immigrants. It's such a flawed logic it's sad. It's easy to shout populist short sighted propaganda. It doesn't make it right.

Last edited by Nem - on 16 July 2018

This is on some Alex Jones level shit lol.. The left makes fun of Alex Jones (I mean rightfully so don't get me wrong) but then many of these same people turn around and start screaming "It's all a Russian conspiracy!!" at everything they don't agree with or don't understand, basically sounding just like the left wing version of him.

Think for a moment.. WHY the hell would the Russians want the GOP in power, especially with Trump at the helm who pushes from a stronger, resilient, and more independent America? Wouldn't they want to prop up the DNC if anything, who seemingly is doing the opposite? Ever hear of Uranium One? Yeah, look it up..

All this Russian hysteria is is DNC damage control to avoid making them look foolish because they are hemorrhaging power and lost the upset election of the century that they were supposed to win. If Hillary had won, I guarantee you you'd never have heard a peep of this Russian business. Notice how we didn't hear a word of this until AFTER the election. Like, you're going to tell me nobody knew anything about this tampering or influencing with all the tools and intelligence we have (FBI, CIA) until AFTER the election? It's much easier to point fingers and scapegoat than address one's own problems and corruption..

And notice how everything and everyone that just happens to go against the DNC, Neocons, (and particularly Clinton) interests is all Russian conspiracy. Trump? Russians! Wikileaks? Russians! #Walkaway? Russians! Jill Stein? (who by the way belongs to the even more left wing Green Party) Russians! Ron Paul and Libertarians? Russians! Hell, I've even seen people accuse Bernie of being involved with Russians, hilarious as HE was the one who was colluded against. Hmmm, sounds to me like a Democrat conspiracy, not a Russian one..

The ONLY seemingly credible Russian collusion stuff that seems semi-legit is that they may have had a connection with the Wikileaks docs - which simply shed a light on the corruption ALREADY happening within the DNC. Why is that a bad thing? Shouldn't the conversation then be, well why is the DNC engaged in all this corruption and collusion in the first place, rather than blaming the messengers of said corruption?

I swear, you'd think we were back in the era of McCarthyism or the Cold War with all this nonsense... This is a modern day moral panic, nothing more, (along with "Nazis" who don't even exist anymore outside of a fringe group of a few thousand loons in the entire country haha). This is all similar to how the GOP constantly shouted about "Iraq!" "Bin Laden!" and "Terrorists!" 15 years ago and how only *they* could protect us from these boogeymen.

Last edited by DarthMetalliCube - on 15 July 2018

Follow me on Twitter, fellow gamers! [I typically rant and ramble about mostly Nintendo, indie, retro, and Overwatch related gaming, Metal and hard rock music, Classical Liberal and Cultural Libertarian politics, and bitch about Chicago sports].

@ItsAmeStephen


 

Nem said:

I don't need convincing.

Even if he is wholly clueless of what he is doing, he is actively doing Russia's bidding to the detriment of his own country.

Most of all, i think he doesn't care one bit about the USA. He only cares about his companies and what he can do with this presidency to benefit himself and his businesses.

" he is actively doing Russia's bidding to the detriment of his own country. "

in what way? considering as someone else has mentioned that he has attacked russia's allies?



Errorist76 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

I know a lot of decent human beings that think differently, that bolded statement is a very black and white thing to think but you have to freedom to do so offcourse .

Then we clearly have a different definition of what a decent human being is.

its shit like this that is making people view the left with disdain



Around the Network

Because Hillary Clinton's email scandal resulted in ZERO indictments/arrests - despite the fact that it factored in the U.S. embassy in Bengazi being seiged by radicals. I don't believe a GOD DAMN THING that has anything to do with Democrats.



Pagan said:
Immersiveunreality said:
The American left has turned full masshysteria since Trump got elected, has nothing to do with facts anymore and it kinda turned into a paranoid religion.
And you can say what you want but Putin is a more intellectual strong leader than most of the american ones,better to have Russia as a friend instead of hypocitically marking them as the bad guys.

And yeah also look up on Hillarys connections and Obamas connections with Russia, does that make them Russian tools?
Talking about tools,those involved in this masshysteria are the biggest.

Dude.. he said he consider leaving nato, fbi is deep state, hillary is deep state, cia is deep state, obama created isis, mexicans are ALL rapists, he can kill someone in a street no one would care, they said jews will not replace us he said there are good people on both sides, russia is holding germany Captive, duterte is a good man, Putin is a great man (at least 25 times), everything is Obamas fault but doesnt give any reasons, mc Cain is a traitor,  bad words about the EU but countless times, sepperating children from their families and calling CHILDREN criminals????? (Most idiotic thing he has done so far), everything beside infowars and fox news is fake news, Erdogan is a great man turkey is a great country, they have good people in the neo nazi scene, xxx hollywood actor is not funny or has bad acting skills etc...

What i mean with that is that he is an idiot.

 

I've got an idea....

 

DONT BREAK THE F***ING LAW

Now there's a clue...



Nem said:
Slimebeast said:

Socialists and globalists will smear any leader who protects the independence of his nation and people.

Evert people deserves the right for self determination and to decide his own destiny, but there are strong evil forces that seek to mold all of the world's unique people into a melting pot that lacks culture, tradition and identity.

 

So... separate we are stronger? Amazing backwards logic completely disregarding the huge ammount of human life loss that built the world order that brought us 70 years of peace in the west. But, some can't be bothered with history and just wish to repeat the same mistakes and get stuck in a perpetual cycle of mistakes. We are not all different. We are all the same species. Yet, you go out of your way to find ways to hate others like you. Besides, i'm sure you were all flowers towards Obama with that logic. But hey, i can play that game: Conservatists and capitalists will do anything to smear any leader That wishes for the progress and survival of the human species! You know, it's funny because the USA has always been a melting pot. Who are you? Are you sure you are entitled to be an american? Your ancestors were not from that land. They were immigrants. It's such a flawed logic it's sad. It's easy to shout populist short sighted propaganda. It doesn't make it right.

Don't waste your time here. You can't rationally explain it to people who are ignorant of history. For them, naively, these are things of the past that could not possibly happen again. Or some people just want to see the world burn ...  as long as it's not happening on their front yard, of course.

Anyways, unions work and Europe, in particular, learnt their lesson hard way ... twice. Like John Bruton used to say: "The European Union is the world's most successful invention for advancing peace" and I simply can't refute that. United we stand, divided we fall. As simple as that.



I don't believe it because the left/democrats are trying to find anyway and every way to avoid accountability for their own shortcomings. Also given how much all MSM media pushes a narrative and lies constantly, none of it is believable at all. But that's just my take on it.



NND: 0047-7271-7918 | XBL: Nights illusion | PSN: GameNChick

The Democrats were more pro-Russia in 2012 than Trump was in 2016. How is everyone forgetting that?

"Romney, who calls Russia our "No. 1 geopolitical foe," doesn't seem to realize it's the 21st century. #RomneyNotReady" - The Democrats -



"After all, you don't call Russia our No. 1 enemy -- not Al-Qaida, Russia -- unless you're still stuck in a Cold War mind warp." - Barack Obama at the 2012 DNC - http://www.npr.org/2012/09/06/160713941/transcript-president-obamas-convention-speech

"You (Romney) said Russia (was our no. 1 enemy), in the 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War's been over for 20 years. But Governor, when it comes to our foreign policy, you seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980s." - Barack Obama during 2012 Presidential debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2a44F5TgM)

"Mitt Romney talks like he's seen Russia by watching Rocky IV." The DNC even made a poster mocking Romney about watching Rocky IV to get his foreign policy: https://theintercept.com/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/09/romneykerry.jpg - John Kerry at the 2012 DNC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUyqLrgO7Q

"Its someone dated to be looking backwards." - Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Romney's views on Russia http://www.redstate.com/erick/2014/03/04/hillary-clinton-mocked-romney-on-russia-then-goes-to-hitler-comparisons/

"Vice President Joe Biden assailed Mitt Romney as “fundamentally wrong” and “totally out of touch” on foreign policy in a campaign speech Thursday — contrasting that to a record of President Barack Obama’s tough but right choices. Drawing contrasts between President Barack Obama and comments Romney has made on the campaign trail in 2008 and this year, Biden attacked the former Massachusetts governor for being “one of a small group of Cold War holdovers,” for naming Russia as a major threat to the United States and at times referring to Soviets. I don’t know whether it’s a slip of the tongue or a mind-set … Everybody slips. I never do, but everyone does,” Biden said in a self-deprecating nod to his own gaffes." - Then VP Joe Biden http://www.politico.com/story/2012/04/biden-assails-mocks-romney-on-foreign-policy-075653

"VLADIVOSTOK, Russia — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia sauntered into American presidential politics on Thursday, praising President Obama as “a very honest man” and chastising the Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, for describing Russia as “without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe.”[/quite] - The New York Times September 2012 archive.is/IsUS9

"After the election I have more flexibility." - Obama to Russia/Putin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

"Trade With Russia Is a Win-Win. By making Moscow a normal trading partner, Congress would create American jobs and advance human rights." - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303836404577475061208876588