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I have to say that the Omarosa craziness is getting funnier and funnier. I guess she will sell some books because every time she drops some little piece of nugget, Trump and his crew come out on twitter and call her a lier only to have a tape showing she was telling the Truth, LOL. I am sure by now nothing surprises anyone about Trump and him saying the N word or admitting to basically any of the lies he has told over the years.  Right now everyone is pretty much exhausted by such things and they just fall into another huge pile of garbage from this administration. The funny part is watching Team Trump scramble to try to make Omarosa a lier while she sits on her tapes waiting for the twitter storm. If anyone deserves someone like Omarosa, it sure was Trump.

the other funny thing is that Omarosa is correct that since she knew Trump and his camp would basically lie and call her everything in the book, you best have some evidence of what you say you either seen or heard.  It's not surprising she and Cohen did the same thing but when you think about how long they both been with Trump, I am sure they knew the way he lies, you have to have backup when the shit hits the fan.

Last edited by Machiavellian - on 14 August 2018

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coolbeans said:

So...I've been a little curious about this one since jumping back here--partially due to my curiosity of what denial comments you read here.  

Help me understand this: you get a good laugh from those who don't buy him being a Russian tool, yet you use this couched language yourself saying he "might not be directly Putin's puppet" here?  You're hesitant of making the affirmative puppet claim yourself.

But who's to say that's based on "muh Russia" narrative and more of a businessman seeing the US being taken advantage of by allies.  I don't want to castigate all EU countries, but just look at something like NATO.  Do all EU countries keep to their signed agreements, specifically in regards to how much they pay in?  B/c the US has a history of going above and beyond in that respect.  Is it really that hard to question how, from the outlook of some, it appears like some disruption is needed?  

(Side note: Don't want to diminish EU involvement in Iraq/Afghanistan of dragged into it by us either.  Only presenting this based on how quoted comment is framed)

Okay...you know "pretty much everything" is this abstract, flimsy term to work with, right?  What extra actions will it take for it to not be convincing he's falling in lockstep with Russia's wishes?  Because so far you have:

-Following NATO allies in kicking out diplomats from country after spy poisoning in UK

-On-and-off saber-rattling in Syria

-Presented no roadblocks, and seem to cheer on, Montenegro's official joining of NATO

-Continued sanctions over Ukraine and has done one up over Obama in sending weapons to fight against Russian-backed rebels

-Pompeo (part of Trump admin) coming out and not accepting Russia's annexation of Crimea as legitimate

BONUS: There's been no incriminating evidence on even the level of Obama's hot mic incident before his 2nd term:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

If you find this list to be lacking, some bullet points to be too tangential, or perhaps there's some inaccuracies here, then that's fine.  But I want to get something solid here; no "well he's a just doing a bunch of what Russia would like" or some such dodgy language.  What's the extent needed in your mind before you're convinced Trump ISN'T doing 'pretty much everything' Russia wants?  No-fly zone in Syria which can escalate to war, more Balkan states joining NATO, a press conference calling Putin bad names?  Let me know.  

EDIT:  And I'm not trying to sound like a total ***hole.  It's just seeing that higher-than-thou assessment of others w/out much meat to your own claims.  "Oh I just couldn't help but guffaw at some of these denial comments here.  *Proceeds to utilize some wishy-washy language in respect to his own claims*"

In my opinion, all that underlining and bolding doesn´t help, but maybe others disagree?

Being Putins puppet/tool, doesn´t mean that Trump has to be commanded by Putin or directly manipulated or influenced. Trump has weakened US and EU and created unstability, and that is what Putin is presumable after. US weaking itself is beneficial to Russia and that doens´t mean that Russia and US has to be best friends or anything. Trump might just be a fool creating chaos, but that also makes him Russias tool whether he is acting with purpose or not. Russia wanted him as the president of USA and its not diffucult to see why :/