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Nem said:
Aeolus451 said:

Nazis would agree with you.They didn't want people to speak their minds or speak out against them.

I think theres a middle ground here.

Freedom of speech is important, but knowingly deceiving/lying to the public is not. With that said, it's very subject to corruption when you make an institution to classify what is truth and what is not. It would be ideal, but if there is someone disonest in there it would quickly descent into opression.

Lying isn't protected by free speech especially in more serious matters but people are entitled to their opinions so that can't be used as an excuse to limit free speech. Alot of the people who are against free speech are nonsensical.

In reply to the corruption part, that's what checks and balances are for within the government. Also by preserving our liberties and limiting the scope of the government's power, we ultimately limit what a corrupt person can do.  I agree that we need to curtail corruption but that won't happen with people knowingly voting for them.



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Aeolus451 said:
Nem said:

I think theres a middle ground here.

Freedom of speech is important, but knowingly deceiving/lying to the public is not. With that said, it's very subject to corruption when you make an institution to classify what is truth and what is not. It would be ideal, but if there is someone disonest in there it would quickly descent into opression.

Lying isn't protected by free speech especially in more serious matters but people are entitled to their opinions so that can't be used as an excuse to limit free speech. Alot of the people who are against free speech are nonsensical.

In reply to the corruption part, that's what checks and balances are for within the government. Also by preserving our liberties and limiting the scope of the government's power, we ultimately limit what a corrupt person can do.  I agree that we need to curtail corruption but that won't happen with people knowingly voting for them.

Not to be funny, but the US is definitely not an example of how to combat corruption.  That couldn't be any more obvious right now on the age of Trump.

But we are going off topic. I think both Freedom of speech and the truth should be protected. Knowingly lying to the masses is what i don't consider to be part of "freedom of speech". I consider it deceit and thus a crime that should be punished.

Just so this doesn't get taken to the ridiculous, cause there's always a guy... That doesn't include meaningless lies. I mean lies that can lead to power shift in the country. They should be severely punished in order to send the message that it's not ok to manipulate voters.



Nem said:
Aeolus451 said:

Lying isn't protected by free speech especially in more serious matters but people are entitled to their opinions so that can't be used as an excuse to limit free speech. Alot of the people who are against free speech are nonsensical.

In reply to the corruption part, that's what checks and balances are for within the government. Also by preserving our liberties and limiting the scope of the government's power, we ultimately limit what a corrupt person can do.  I agree that we need to curtail corruption but that won't happen with people knowingly voting for them.

Not to be funny, but the US is definitely not an example of how to combat corruption.  That couldn't be any more obvious right now on the age of Trump.

But we are going off topic. I think both Freedom of speech and the truth should be protected. Knowingly lying to the masses is what i don't consider to be part of "freedom of speech". I consider it deceit and thus a crime that should be punished.

Just so this doesn't get taken to the ridiculous, cause there's always a guy... That doesn't include meaningless lies. I mean lies that can lead to power shift in the country. They should be severely punished in order to send the message that it's not ok to manipulate voters.

 I disagree with quite a bit of that but I'll just respond quickly. I think that's idealistic and wouldn't work in practice. Politicians would weaponize it against eachother. It would just make them more corrupt.



Nem said:

Just so this doesn't get taken to the ridiculous, cause there's always a guy... That doesn't include meaningless lies. I mean lies that can lead to power shift in the country. They should be severely punished in order to send the message that it's not ok to manipulate voters.

Oh, if you enforce this, we need a complete new set of politicians. And political journalists. I can't think of one, that hasn't at least bent the truth a little, or just pushed a news that wasn't verified in the least (and most likely false). I just learned, that the OPCW found no signs of an attack with chemical weapons in Ghouta (Syria) for this one incidence some months ago, which justified an airstrike on Syria. While Assad is as bad this means, many western politics used one completely unverified news to push their own political agenda (attack on Syria). Assad did the same in other incidents.

I just can't trust any news attached to a strong political agenda or strong political rift (on either side) as both sides push news that are true and that are untrue or unverified, as long as it fits their agenda. Sadly verifying informations often takes months, nobody cares anymore by then.

This happens for all sides: left or right, liberal or conservative, US or russia or europe or china, ...

I understand that you want a society where political decisions and agenda are rooted in verifyable and trustworthy information, but we are actually far far away from that. I have no idea how to fix that.



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A fan of the game politely tried to create a discussion. Her feelings were hurt and she not only lashed back aggressively, but also disingenuously tried to make it about sexism to cover her ass and justify her hostility.

While it may seem that firing her was too severe a consequence, her behaviour follows a clear pattern and she needs to learn a hard lesson. I agree with the firing.



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I like how some people on Twitter and certain forums are trying to label anyone who agrees with her firing as a scumbag GamerGater. Because apparently there is no other reason for her firing besides a bunch of no-lifers who hate women. I even saw someone on Twitter acting like getting fired for being an ass to a customer and partner has never happened before and "a dangerous precedent is being set here". Ignorant fear mongers.



A third video from YongYea. It covers Mike O'Brien's response to the situation which I think is very apt:



Wow, and she won't quit either with the nonsense. She hasn't even admitted an iota of guilt in anything yet, that's quite frankly absurd at this point. Clearly, this person has no regard for anyone but herself.



vivster said:
Azuren said:

When someone enters a relatively public space, maintains that public setting rather than changing it to private, lists their name and their employer, and discusses work on said platform then they have effectively forfeited their privacy in that situation, and they have become a public representative for their company.

 

As far as a law preventing speech in any capacity: hell fucking no. Speech laws need to refrain from anything that does not bring physical harm with it (threats or inciting violence). The moment you allow the government to arbitrarily decide what subjective language is "dangerous" is the moment you forfeit tthecountry to whoever happens to be in charge at the time, because suddenly dangerous language is any language that the people in power disagree with.

Speech can be physically dangerous even if it doesn't incite violence. Speaking lies is what got us the Brexit and a certain sentient Orange in the White House. Lies cause physical illnesses in the form of unvaccinated children. Lies give power to corporations that will continue to harm the environment and the people in them. Lies about history will recruit cult members and neo nazis that will hurt other people. Lies are a propaganda tool and will never lead to anything good. Spreading lies on a public platform should damn well be sanctioned because they lead to fucking harm.

You're not really thinking the idea of speech laws through very carefully. Dictating speech is a slippery slope to an authoritarian state. What you know to be fact might be publicly denied by the government. What happens when the government says "No, this was the truth and you are the one spreading lies"? Are you going to tell them they're the liars while they put you in jail?

 

Speech laws are never a good thing, because if you put the power to determine what is and isn't a lie in the hands of the government, they will abuse it. And no one will even be able to speak out, because they'll be arrested. Speech laws are the fastest way to give up your freedoms.



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Mummelmann said:
Wow, and she won't quit either with the nonsense. She hasn't even admitted an iota of guilt in anything yet, that's quite frankly absurd at this point. Clearly, this person has no regard for anyone but herself.

What's also interesting is the timing of this. Jessica Price did not wait for the flames to die down and went straight to shitting on ArenaNet. After she got fired from Paizo, she waited for about 4 months to shit on the company. I'm not sure what she's thinking, burning bridges with ArenaNet like that when the fiasco is still fresh in most people's minds. I guess she expected that getting (undeserved) support from the gaming media would be good enough and net her sympathy points, but then you see YongYea, who has a pretty big fanbase, calling out Polygon and other sites for their blatant bias.