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Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:

No. She tried to use her vagina as a shield from criticism and she was being a cunt. She acted unprofessional when she was representing her company. It's not about taking offense and firing someone over it. It's about acting in a reasonable way with others. Companies will fire you if you damage the brand by doing something they don't agree with. That line is gonna different with each company and situation.

LOL, men has used their dick as a shield or just being a man in general as well.  I even saw defense of Kamiya as if "Its Kamiya" says it all.  The only difference I see here is what excuse people accept when a person they do not care for gets fired over someone they like.  If you liked this woman and knew her, you might have a totally different stance.  I personally am not defending her or her actions, I just believe its tiring to see riled up over someone being an ass then want them being fired.  No chance or remorse from the public outcry just the AX as if that can never be you one day.  Well, I know how easy it is to get the AX for the most simple of things you say on the net.

You've been trying to belittle people's grievances against her and make excuses for her behaviour. I would say that you're defending her. She acted like a cunt to the fans of guild wars and falsely accused people of sexism as an employee of the company that makes the game. She has been lying about the entire situation the entire time.  She made the whole thing very public from the get go. Not only did she deserve to be fired, she deserves to be blacklisted from the industry. 

I would never be friends with any dev that acts like this.



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Darc Requiem said:

2. You don't seem top have followed the whole story.  She was directly discussing her work and the difficulty in creating an interesting PC in an MMO environment. She didn't get hacked she posted this for the world to see on Twitter. Both she and Mr. Fries seemed to be under the false impression that posting something to a personal Twitter account is "private". I've never thought in 2018, someone would be so naive.

3. It was on personal Twitter account that listed her company name. It's like me going out on my off time in my company short and getting in a verbal altercation with a customer. It get's back to my boss. I get fired. She foolishly did this on a public forum. I'm curious to occupations of people with this stance. I've worked in a corporate environment for 16 years. Even when signed the documentation for employment on my first "corporate" job in 2002. There was clause about stating that showing company in a bad light, even in your off hours, is grounds for termination. These clauses have evolved with the social media age. Twitter isn't private. A personal Twitter account your name and company of employ on it. Makes you a representative of the company. It's like wearing a company shirt in public on your day off. Despite note being "on the clock" you are making yourself a representative of the company.

When you say she was discussing her work, was there ever any mention on ArenaNet, or its products in that discussion.  I will agree, I did not go through the entire threaded post so it can be easy for me to have missed that part.  I know she did not get hacked or anything but also her own twitter account is her own account.  You would have a point if her twitter account is tied to Arenanet, then it's a business account not her personal account.  It also doesn't make a difference if its public or private if she disagree with someone following her on her own account then where does it stop.  What I mean by that is, if your boss found post you have done on this forum and fired you, would you be in agreement that is fair game.  At what point is it right when you leave a job that anything you say in any social media aspect is considered fair game to be fired over.  Twitter and facebook are easy targets because of how big they are but in reality we are giving corporations power to do this over any space we speak our minds that is not on company time.

I went to her account and she does list Arenanet as her employer (still there for some reason which is funny).  That I would agree was a mistake on her part as it makes a connection to her private account to her employer and thus gives them an avenue to pursue termination on those grounds alone.

I am have been in this industry for over 25 years and I know better to tie any of my accounts to my job.  Linkedin, Twitter, Facebook you name it, you would not see one mention of who I work for or any affiliation because I understand that if you make those associations you have linked yourself with your job and thus is exposed.  I already mentioned this happen to me in the early 90s so I fully understand the situations.

I am not taking a stand for Jessica price, I am getting tired of having to walk on eggshells when anything you say can be used with the old saying "Showing the company in bad light".  This is the type of stuff in a booming economy you probably should be asking yourself should you be signing.  Its the same agreement as a developer companies try to make you sign that anything you produce while you work for them is also their property.  I get that crap out of my signing contract quick.  If its on company time, I can agree, if its part of the same industry I can understand but you can forget me signing everything I do is yours because i work for you.  Letting corporations control ever aspect of your life in and outside of work will always be a bad thing.  Accepting that stuff only can lead to more power you give up and it being the norm.



Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:

No. She tried to use her vagina as a shield from criticism and she was being a cunt. She acted unprofessional when she was representing her company. It's not about taking offense and firing someone over it. It's about acting in a reasonable way with others. Companies will fire you if you damage the brand by doing something they don't agree with. That line is gonna different with each company and situation.

LOL, men has used their dick as a shield or just being a man in general as well.  I even saw defense of Kamiya as if "Its Kamiya" says it all.  The only difference I see here is what excuse people accept when a person they do not care for gets fired over someone they like.  If you liked this woman and knew her, you might have a totally different stance.  I personally am not defending her or her actions, I just believe its tiring to see riled up over someone being an ass then want them being fired.  No chance or remorse from the public outcry just the AX as if that can never be you one day.  Well, I know how easy it is to get the AX for the most simple of things you say on the net.

Bad comparison,Kamiya is representing his own company and the woman is representing the company she works for.



Immersiveunreality said:

Bad comparison,Kamiya is representing his own company and the woman is representing the company she works for.

And Kamiya has delivered products his customers thoroughly enjoyed such as Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, and Okami. He worked hard to build up his reputation. What has Price done? Burned bridges. Lots and lots of bridges.



People keep bringing up Kamiya. As I've said before, it's poor argument. He's not an employee of an American company. If he were, he would have been fired by now. Anyone that says different hasn't been paying attention. "Papa John" just got booted from the company that bears his name. The one he founded. Why people continue apply cultural standards from one country to me is mind boggling to me. Maybe my experience of staying in the international dorm in college causes me to see things differently.



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Machiavellian said:
JWeinCom said:

Notice that you keep bringing up the word public forums, then in your conclusion talk about people interfering in her private life.  There's a contradiction there.

First off, the interaction was about something she posted in regards to storytelling in gaming.  It was a topic directly related to her job.  She chose to put this out to the public, and then she chose to engage with a customer of her company.

Secondly and more importantly, twitter is not a part of your private life.  It is public.  It is a site designed with the specific purpose of broadcasting your opinions to a large number of people.  You do not have any right or reasonable expectation to privacy when you are posting a public message.

A company absolutely has the right to fire an employee who is adversely effecting their brand in a public forum.  This was neither a topic which was unrelated to her job, nor was it a private comment.  This has always been the case as far as I know.  The difference is that people are shockingly slow to understand that posting on twitter is the equivalent of making a press release.

I did not notice I said public, I said it on purpose.  Would it be any different if someone took a video of you out in public berating someone or doing something stupid and you lost your job for it.  No matter the media used, if you are not actively working for a company or doing anything on company time then you are just an individual.  So would you agree that if a company viewed your twitter post and saw that you got drunk, pulled over by the cops and put into jail, and fired you for it that's fair game.  Same would be for Facebook or anything else.  Where is the line drawn and how much are you so accepting of this practice.  I keep reading about SJW all the time but it seems people just pick and choose what they consider SJW.

So what you saying as a developer, if I post something that I do, its considered fair game for my employer to fire me because they disagree how I handled the topic in public.  So basically what we are all saying is that you are always on the clock for your company no matter if you are on the Job or just speaking in general.  I am not saying that this isn't the world we live in, I am saying people seem to be more accepting of it and thus cannot complain when its used for someone they do like.  Its a double edge sword that bites on both ends.  No one seem to ask was there a process.  Was she just fired outright.  What policies did she break and how many chances do you get.  Nope, it was one and done but it only seems to be that way because the general people who support her getting fired has an ax to grind.  If this was your favorite developer, I wonder if support would have been different.

At Bolded:  How exactly can that be proven.  Even if it can be proven how can any company tie that to an employee unless it is their forum.  Just because someone knows you work for a certain company doesn't exactly give them total rights to anything you say as affecting their business.  Basically you just gave corporation to use that very line for anything they can consider as "Hurting" their brand and complete control over what you say, how you act, who you associate with and how you behave in any settings.  Its one thing understand how things are, its totally another to just accept it as if it should be the norm.

Well, I would say it strongly depends on the case. In this case if it was the first offense I would've preferred to offer the employee the chance to apologize, and only on the second strike it would be out. But not on the clock doesn't matter, if you argue so publicly, as it is the case with Twitter. It has nothing to do with SJW either. Roseanne Barr was fired and her show canceled about something she said on Twitter in her spare time. And roseanne can't really be labeled a SJW. In difference to the current case, Roseanne's tweet not even had to do anything with her work. Still she got fired and I agree with that.

So have you said something stupid drunk or so. I think your company isn't happy, but firing should be only viable on repeated offenses. In this case though Jessica Price attacked someone unprovoked. That is a bit more damning. I probably wouldn't have her fired if it was the first misstep and she is apologetic. Roseannes tweet was inexcusable and it would've tarnished the image of every company that kept her in employment after that.

So yes, stunts you do in your spare time can and should be punishable by your employer. Because I would starting to rethink consuming products of a company, if they work with people that do inexcusable stuff. We could discuss what acting is too much, but beware that Twitter is public and your words there can be associated with oyur company.



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Darc Requiem said:

2. You don't seem top have followed the whole story.  She was directly discussing her work and the difficulty in creating an interesting PC in an MMO environment. She didn't get hacked she posted this for the world to see on Twitter. Both she and Mr. Fries seemed to be under the false impression that posting something to a personal Twitter account is "private". I've never thought in 2018, someone would be so naive.

She has more than 10K followers on Twitter. That is in no way a private conversation.



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Machiavellian said: 

Basically what I see in this comment is you showing your own bias.  You defend Kamiya just like the people defending this woman.  You try to find edge cases to support that things are different with Kamiya then then woman but in reality it is not.  It doesn't matter if kamiya acted the ass when provoked or not, when he publicly act the ass he is representing his company and negative feedback.  The sole reason he does not get fired is because he is Kamiya and he is more important to his company.

 

Totally agree, but then again would she just been reprimanded and asked to give a public apology instead of being fired if she was considered more valuable to the Disney.  Its a question to consider.

 

Totally agree here as well but that is the problem also with public forums.  You call it attacking the fan base, while to her it was her disagreeing with another person.  It seems people expect political tact when dealing with other people on public forums but only for the people they do not like.  At the end of the day, the company made a decision to fire her instead of asking her to give the person an apology.  The fact that everyone is supporting getting fired first means that this can and will always be the policy because of your support.  Now anything that is said that people disagree with, calls for firing will be the route and it will force people you truly want to interact with to go away.  

 

Its a double standard because its never going to be equal.  It will always be political and most times it matters not if it make or cost money, its who benefits the most.  If you support this person firing, then you support anyone getting fired for anything they say out in public.  I am quite intimate with this situation because I was fired from Microsoft for posting on forums.  I was not abusive, I was not being an ass or rude or anything.  I was fired because it was found out that I worked at microsoft and so my statements at the time was considered coming from MS.  The whole topic was Mac vs PC and this was in the early 90s.  Now you have companies snooping around your facebook and twitter feeds.  Watching your public post on forums etc.  Its a catch 22 and you can believe that such things will get even worst before it gets better.

Actually no. It's me acknowledging one situation is not like the other. First of all, the company is a large part his, and he is the brand. He can't damage his brand unless he is being blatantly sexist or racist, which he has never been to my knowledge. Price, on the other hand, made public assumptions that someone who also represents the brand is a sexist and put him on blast as such. Being a grumpy and unpleasant individual is not the same as being a gender-baiting misandrist.

 

I don't think her image would have been conducive to Disney. Maybe if the comment she made was a little more vague, but it was too obvious to argue.

 

Now let me ask you this: do you think she would have apologized if given that opportunity? Or do you think, given her actions surrounding all of this, she would have played a victim card and gone to the shill media with a sob story?

 

And you can't conflate every negative thing said online with things like bigotry.



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I noticed and read more of her tweets and it seems she's a spoiled piece of entitled trash that on top of that behaves sexist to most of the males she encounters,hiring her was the first mistake. I would personally have fired her sooner.



Immersiveunreality said:
I noticed and read more of her tweets and it seems she's a spoiled piece of entitled trash that on top of that behaves sexist to most of the males she encounters,hiring her was the first mistake. I would personally have fired her sooner.

She would have been gone when she celebrated TB's passing of I was her employer.



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