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TranceformerFX said:

So what you're saying is that it's acceptable for Scarlet Johansen to play Major Kusanagi because were not constantly reminded that she's Japanese in the original cartoon/source material? I lol'd because your comment came off as silly to me. Also, your reply makes no sense in context to your original comment. 

You know, restructuring arguments to sound as ridiculous as possible is not an honest way to debate. Whether you "lol'd" or not is of no importance to me, if you're not going to be respectable there is nothing to talk about here. 

The fact is, most people who are actually Japanese and live in Japan didn't care. The director of the original movie, which is the part of the GiTS franchise being adapted, didn't care that Scarlet was a white person. 

But the biggest point of all, which you'll probably restructure to sound as ridiculous as possible, is that the race of the character was never important to the original movie. Yes, no matter what you try to do to downplay this point, for the most part it's the characters that rely on their race where the actor's race is important to get right. Ghost in the Shell, at least the 1995 anime, is not an example of that. In fact, as far as I know, there is more discussion on race in the Scarlet movie then there is in the actual anime.

By the way, you should tell Japanese people they can't make Fullmetal Alchemist live action movies anymore, since the main characters are of European descent but are played by a Japanese cast. 



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Kids these days are way too sensitive. First world problems is right......



acer67 said:

its a movie, she's an actress...i don't see the issue

Certain roles require you to have a certain look, why do you think so many people were up-in-arms about Christian Bale playing Moses? Or Scarlett Jo (white chick) playing Motoko Kusanagi (an Asian chick) for that matter?



KManX89 said:
acer67 said:

its a movie, she's an actress...i don't see the issue

Certain roles require you to have a certain look, why do you think so many people were up-in-arms about Christian Bale playing Moses? Or Scarlett Jo (white chick) playing Motoko Kusanagi (an Asian chick) for that matter?

Except Scarlett playing a trans man really just means you need a good make up artist... doesn’t really matter what the actress looks like.  



shikamaru317 said:
jason1637 said:

If you're transgender you shouldn't be playing one. Similar to how non black people shouldn't do blackface and play the role of a black person.

The simple fact of the matter is that there are no popular trans actors or actresses. Why act surprised when a movie studio casts a popular A or B list actor or actress like Eddie Redmayne, Chloe Sevigny, or Scarlett Johnannsen to play a trans character as opposed to a nobody trans actor/actress who lacks the ability to put people in the seats at the cinema/theater the same way that a A or B lister can? Hollywood will do what makes them the most money. 

 

You're giving the "star power" thing too much credit. Plenty of movies with big name actors have flopped for one reason or another. Ghost in the Shell, Rough Night and Exodus: Gods and Kings all flopped due to poor word of mouth despite having popular leads, two of those due to a rampant whitewashing backlash it had going in (one such movie featuring Sco Jo herself), so if anything, shoehorning in a white actor/actress in those movies solely for being big names hurt them. Also, GhostBusters 2016 did terrible despite having a popular cast of women for being agenda-driven (read: having a man-hating stigma attached to it) and looking like a terrible movie altogether. 

On the other hand, plenty of movies with unknown actors get accolades and make money, that's how we get new stars to begin with. Case in point: Tiffany Haddish is way less popular than Scarlett Johansson, yet Girls Trip made more money on OW than GitS did during its entire run. 

Unless it's a pre-transition trans man, casting somebody who doesn't look a smidge masculine in such a role makes zero sense. You'd think Scarlett Jo would have the wherewithal not to take on another controversial role after the last one blew up in her face (ironically by the same director), yet here we are.

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GitS was a perfect opportunity to put an Asian female as the lead of a "blockbuster" movie but of course they didn't have the balls nor consideration to do it.

ScarJo wants that Oscar tho.



Jaicee said:
Okay lots of people are saying that this isn't an issue because it's the job of actors to portray someone different. While it's true that an actor's job is to protray someone they themselves are not, I think there are limits to believability that get crossed when it comes to things like a white actor portraying a character who is clearly supposed to be Asian. I mean it can't be said that I'm a big fan of transgenderism, to be honest with everyone. Even so, that doesn't mean that I'm therefore in favor of people who consider themselves to be transgender being misrepresented in this kind of a blatant way that seems intentional.

Supposed to be asian? The character had a fully cybernetic body so she could look like anything that she wanted.

 

https://kotaku.com/ghost-in-the-shell-publisher-never-imagined-a-japanese-1771992584

http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/ghost-in-the-shell-anime-whitewashing-scarlett-johansson.html



HandofPrometheus said:
GitS was a perfect opportunity to put an Asian female as the lead of a "blockbuster" movie but of course they didn't have the balls nor consideration to do it.

ScarJo wants that Oscar tho.

That's stupid. The character had a fully cybernetic body and could look like anything she wanted. Even the creators didn't think the character looked asian or envisioned her as one. Alot of people fall into this trap with ghost in the shell because they don't know anything about the IP.



thismeintiel said:
jason1637 said:

Because it makes money doesn't make it right.

And just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. 

Aeolus451 said: 

I hope that you're being sarcastic. Who cares what you find offensive as a part Japanese person. I'm part Japanese as well and I don't think any of it's offensive. We're not monolithic. "As a _____ person" doesn't mean shit especially in this situation. Japanese like any other culture copy other countries' films or books then cast all people from their own country. It's normal and okay for any country to do.

Exactly. The fact is this is only ever used as virtue signaling. If it really bothered people, they would be upset when a white character is turned into another race. Or like you said, when other countries adapt books or other films and cast actors from their country, instead of being faithful to the source. Hell, even Attack on Titan made it clear that being Asian was rare, but that didn't stop them from casting all Japanese actors for the film. Where's the outcry from that? Nope, it's only ever brought up when it's the evil white man "stealing" from another culture. 

They did the same thing with Full Metal Alchemist. The MC's country was based off of Germany so most of the core characters looked white. There were some characters from different countries but the vast majority of characters didn't look asian. In the live adaptation, the cast was asian.



I see no issue with casting a woman as a trans man. While casting a trans man would be more accurate, there simply aren't any big name trans actors. While the argument certainly is valid that there won't be big name trans actors until you start casting them, that is not the responsibility of any one movie and as such I don't think this movie is deserving of any more outrage than Mission Impossible or Jurassic World.

As for her not actually looking like the person she is portraying, this happens literally all the time. There are countless examples of this in which no one batted an eye.

As with GitS, I am far more disappointment that they chose a shite director (or at least a bland and uninteresting one) to helm the project than I am at the casting of a solid actor like ScarJo.