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Hollywood Strikes again| Scarlett Johansson set to play a trans man in an upcoming movie

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John2290 said:
bananaking21 said:

No. That definition is deeply flaughed. A 6 year old kid can't play the role of a maniacal serial killer. He can try, but he would fail miserably. And that's basically him playing something he is not. So your point of view of imvalin. 

 

The goal of an actor is to play a role effectively and convincingly. And to do so requires actor to be the same gender, race, and age of the character. A 6"4 black dude with six packs can't play a teenage Asian school girl no matter how good an actor he is. 

Tell that to robert downy junior. That man played one hell of a convincing black man in Tropic thunder. Anyway, your argument goes out the window when you take todays level of technology into account. Andy serckus is one of the best actors on screen and rarely plays the vision of himself. 

Back on point. Scarlett Johansson is a women who can easily be made to look androgynous so she fits perfectly for the role, more qualified than any trans actress and will bring in more money, and on top of that is already creating free advertising for the film.

Also, as someone mentioned in the comments above, that chick who transistioned in the Ethan Hawk sci fi film should put this whole argument to rest, it's little more than whingeing for the sake of it. 

No he doesn't play a black man. He plays a white man playing the role of a black man, go watch the movie. 



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Does anyone remember how Linda Hunt played a man without being a man?

 



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Seriously? She's an actress and that's what they do ... act. That reminds me the "backlash" Jared Leto faced few years ago for pretty much the same reason. And guess what, he won an Oscar for that role, so it must have been some good acting. People just take those things way too serious nowadays.



I like it. The sooner people relearn what the actual definition of an actor is, the better.

Though I'm not ok with the fact that transgender is presented as a special noteworthy trait. Doing shit like that is working actively against what the LGBT community wants. Except of course for the people who thrive on this kind of attention, but fuck them.



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John2290 said:
KManX89 said:

Oh yes, forget an accurate portrayal, let's just cast somebody who doesn't remotely fit the part because they're popular. 

Because it worked so well for GitS and Exodus.

 

morenoingrato said:

Ha! If they were to unnecessarily shoehorn a minority actor/actress into a franchise and that were to cause backlash, I'm sure you'd hold the same opinion about companies not giving into vocal minority outrage. Am I right?

Scarlett Jo sells tickets. Simple as. 

My opinion. It shouldn't matter either way, whoever is best for the roll, best for the production and so on. Cast an old Asian lady, if she can pull it off and be true to the character so be it. Short of cloning the real life trans the film is based on you can never close the gap to reality far enough for it to matter and all that should really matter is capturing the soul of the person, something Johansson is qualified to do and further more I'm sure this person would be happy they have such a beautiful and talented actress like Johansson playing the role, quite possibly the image they saw themselves being. 

As for Ghost in the shell, the creator said, and it's pretty clear watching the anime, that the character was based of European, as the world was  a multicultural future. Something the outrage brigade didn't understand, perhaps because most outrage mobs aren't part of or have any interest in supporting the things they bash. Then creators, companies or brands give in and alienate their own audience for non supporting consumers, they loose money, fans and change the very thing they created to be something entirely different than their original vision or that of what is wanted by actual, interested consumers. Hence, Get woke and go broke. 

Glad they aren't giving in and this director has the forsight to weather out the storm that will be short lived as it is unsustainable to make everything politically or social correct at the expense of quality and that dolla dolla bill.

Tiffany Haddish isn't NEARLY as popular as Sco Jo, yet Girls Night made more money on OW than Rough Night did during its entire run. 

And GitS and Exodus flopped big time thanks in no small part to the whitewashing backlash they had going in. I'd argue casting white actors in those movies only hurt them, not the other way around.

bananaking21 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Isn't the point of being an actor to play something you're not?

No. That definition is deeply flaughed. A 6 year old kid can't play the role of a maniacal serial killer. He can try, but he would fail miserably. And that's basically him playing something he is not. So your point of view of imvalin. 

 

The goal of an actor is to play a role effectively and convincingly. And to do so requires actor to be the same gender, race, and age of the character. A 6"4 black dude with six packs can't play a teenage Asian school girl no matter how good an actor he is. 

This. 



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oh wow... i'm really enraged about it.............. -_-

 

ps: still can't believe how Hollywood can't seem to find a real kryptonian to play Superman, this cultural appropriation has to stop



setsunatenshi said:

oh wow... i'm really enraged about it.............. -_-

 

ps: still can't believe how Hollywood can't seem to find a real kryptonian to play Superman, this cultural appropriation has to stop

Nice strawman.



KManX89 said:
setsunatenshi said:

oh wow... i'm really enraged about it.............. -_-

 

ps: still can't believe how Hollywood can't seem to find a real kryptonian to play Superman, this cultural appropriation has to stop

Nice strawman.

thanks, perfectly fitting of a nice non-issue :)



KManX89 said:
John2290 said:

 

Scarlett Jo sells tickets. Simple as. 

My opinion. It shouldn't matter either way, whoever is best for the roll, best for the production and so on. Cast an old Asian lady, if she can pull it off and be true to the character so be it. Short of cloning the real life trans the film is based on you can never close the gap to reality far enough for it to matter and all that should really matter is capturing the soul of the person, something Johansson is qualified to do and further more I'm sure this person would be happy they have such a beautiful and talented actress like Johansson playing the role, quite possibly the image they saw themselves being. 

As for Ghost in the shell, the creator said, and it's pretty clear watching the anime, that the character was based of European, as the world was  a multicultural future. Something the outrage brigade didn't understand, perhaps because most outrage mobs aren't part of or have any interest in supporting the things they bash. Then creators, companies or brands give in and alienate their own audience for non supporting consumers, they loose money, fans and change the very thing they created to be something entirely different than their original vision or that of what is wanted by actual, interested consumers. Hence, Get woke and go broke. 

Glad they aren't giving in and this director has the forsight to weather out the storm that will be short lived as it is unsustainable to make everything politically or social correct at the expense of quality and that dolla dolla bill.

Tiffany Haddish isn't NEARLY as popular as Sco Jo, yet Girls Night made more money on OW than Rough Night did during its entire run. 

And GitS and Exodus flopped big time thanks in no small part to the whitewashing backlash they had going in. I'd argue casting white actors in those movies only hurt them, not the other way around.

bananaking21 said:

No. That definition is deeply flaughed. A 6 year old kid can't play the role of a maniacal serial killer. He can try, but he would fail miserably. And that's basically him playing something he is not. So your point of view of imvalin. 

 

The goal of an actor is to play a role effectively and convincingly. And to do so requires actor to be the same gender, race, and age of the character. A 6"4 black dude with six packs can't play a teenage Asian school girl no matter how good an actor he is. 

This. 

GitS didn't flop because of whitewashing, it flopped because it wasn't good. Don't conflate it's underperformance with your own childish outrage. It's like saying ice cream causes shark attacks because shark attacks and high ice cream sales both take place in the summer.

 

On the subject of GitS: you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Go look up what a Shell is and remember that anyone can use any Shell. It's perfectly possibly that the Makoto in the film IS Japanese, but she's using a Caucasian Shell. If you're going to be upset about something, do your damn research first.

 

And no, you don't have to be the same gender/race/orientation/etc as someone else to properly play the role. Actors are quite literally pretending to be what they're not. Children have pulled off very convincing serial killers, and I feel like Jo could pull off a trans pretty damn easily because she's a solid actor. Next you're going to tell me that only soldiers know how to play soldiers in movies, or how I keep setting up strawmen when in fact I'm just inconveniently tearing your argument apart with simple comparisons.



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KManX89 said:
setsunatenshi said:

oh wow... i'm really enraged about it.............. -_-

 

ps: still can't believe how Hollywood can't seem to find a real kryptonian to play Superman, this cultural appropriation has to stop

Nice strawman.

Not a strawman. He's simply pointing the absurdity of "an actor has to be of the same identity of the character they're playing".