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Should Nextbox go for the headstart, or wait for PS5 to make the first move?

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I think MS should...

Get a headstart and relea... 21 38.18%
 
Release alongside PS5 17 30.91%
 
Let PS5 go first 17 30.91%
 
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Pemalite said:
vivster said:
If they're serious about gaining back lost share in the market they absolutely should. But I don't think they are.

What makes you think that? They have done well in the last 6 months. Credit where credit is due.

No credit due if they can't give a solid reason to buy an Xbox One. If every title they release is available on another platform, then I don't have a reason to own an Xbox One.



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vivster said:

Doing well isn't what gets you back market share. They need to do a lot better to gain anything that has been lost since last gen.

Doing well means they are/starting to get serious.
The Xbox One X, Backwards Compatibility... And they had a good showing at E3, got a few more new studios...

I don't expect them to garner any significant marketshare this generation though, but they are trying to turn things around at-least.
Again... Credit where credit is due.

vivster said:

For example, canceling and delaying highly anticipated games is what you should not do.

I don't actually disagree. Cancelling Scalebound and Fable Legends were big mistakes that shouldn't have happened.
And it's not just the cancelling of games that was the issue... Big titles like Halo: The Master Chief Collection was a colossal screw up... And Halo 5 didn't seem to hit the heights of the 7th gen offerings.

vivster said:

They could do a lot more, but I have yet to see a significant attack.

Sony and Nintendo can also do more.
Microsoft has been smashing it out lately, which has been fantastic... The real question/test is if they can maintain that momentum going forward or stagnate like they did during the past couple of years.

vivster said:

  If they're not at least 6 months earlier than Sony in bringing next gen it will confirm that they're not really serious about competing and are rather content and complacent with what they did this gen.

The sooner next-gen starts the better.

Early this generation Microsoft had to do allot of work to fix their always online DRM, Kinect, Higher Price and power gap... On that front they did exceedingly well early on.

They abolished the always online, Kinect was unbundled, price was matched to the Playstation 4... And Microsoft spent a significant amount of time optimizing the console to reduce Ram/CPU/GPU consumption and increased clockrates to make it a little more competitive with the Playstation 4 on the hardware front.

...But then they stagnated. Games were few and far between and generally not impressive.

OttoniBastos said:
I think microsoft will try to release it first in order to steal some market share(something like late 2019).

I really wish they all would wait until 2020 so we could have a nice upgrade for an affordable price.

With the way CPUs are improving in this last couple of years thanks to ryzen,by 2020 we could have a powerful ryzen APU(16 cores) + 16gb ram for $400-$500.

Don't expect high-end PC hardware in a console, consoles can't afford it for the price points they are attempting to hit.
16 CPU cores ain't going to happen.



 

vivster said:

For example, canceling and delaying highly anticipated games is what you should not do.

I don't actually disagree. Cancelling Scalebound and Fable Legends were big mistakes that shouldn't have happened.
And it's not just the cancelling of games that was the issue... Big titles like Halo: The Master Chief Collection was a colossal screw up... And Halo 5 didn't seem to hit the heights of the 7th gen offerings.

vivster said:

They could do a lot more, but I have yet to see a significant attack.

Sony and Nintendo can also do more.
Microsoft has been smashing it out lately, which has been fantastic... The real question/test is if they can maintain that momentum going forward or stagnate like they did during the past couple of years.

vivster said:

  If they're not at least 6 months earlier than Sony in bringing next gen it will confirm that they're not really serious about competing and are rather content and complacent with what they did this gen.

The sooner next-gen starts the better.

Early this generation Microsoft had to do allot of work to fix their always online DRM, Kinect, Higher Price and power gap... On that front they did exceedingly well early on.

They abolished the always online, Kinect was unbundled, price was matched to the Playstation 4... And Microsoft spent a significant amount of time optimizing the console to reduce Ram/CPU/GPU consumption and increased clockrates to make it a little more competitive with the Playstation 4 on the hardware front.

...But then they stagnated. Games were few and far between and generally not impressive.

They don't really have momentum, at least not even close as much as their competitors. To have momentum now they had to start doing shit years ago but they didn't. Why would you think that they suddenly care now when everything is lost anyway, when they didn't even care when they were still in the race?

Xbox isn't even close as strong as a brand as Sony and Nintendo so the only thing they can do to close that gap is starting a new gen a lot earlier, having an unbeatable price and throwing out constant first and 3rd party exclusives. They did nothing of that. So either they're completely stupid and underestimate their competition or they just don't give a fuck and just treat Xbox as a nice little business on the side. The latter of which is much more likely and what I said before.



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vivster said:

They don't really have momentum, at least not even close as much as their competitors.

They do have momentum though.
They have brought 5 studios under their umbrella, many of which already had projects going on anyway.

Don't forget how solid the Xbox One X hardware is relative to it's direct competition... And the subtle hint of Scarlett at E3.

vivster said:

To have momentum now they had to start doing shit years ago but they didn't. Why would you think that they suddenly care now when everything is lost anyway, when they didn't even care when they were still in the race?

Well. You aren't wrong, they would most certainly have had to start doing shit years ago... And this year we saw a sneek peak of that.

vivster said:

Xbox isn't even close as strong as a brand as Sony and Nintendo so the only thing they can do to close that gap is starting a new gen a lot earlier, having an unbeatable price and throwing out constant first and 3rd party exclusives.

I agree. The Xbox 360 though was a strong brand that gave both Sony and Nintendo a run for it's money.
But Microsoft lost a little of that glamour with the Xbox One.
But it is what it is... Console market is very cyclic.

vivster said:

So either they're completely stupid and underestimate their competition or they just don't give a fuck and just treat Xbox as a nice little business on the side. The latter of which is much more likely and what I said before.


Yeah.  I would not exactly start making assertions that one of the wealthiest companies is "stupid". - Do they get everything right every-time? Shit no. But neither does Sony or Nintendo.
Just need to give credit where credit is due for all companies.

Microsoft is clearly holding a few cards for next-gen, the Halo tech demo was a hint towards that in my opinion with some of the rendering techniques employed in that demonstration.



Doesn't matter true generation are thing of the past... There are no reason to have them anymore.... The next box will or should be backward compatible and the launch game should run or at least be available on Xbox one x at least.... Beside forcing to upgrade there is no reason to have generations for either Sony or Microsoft.... So it could release tomorrow or in 2 years won't matter... But I'm pretty sure they will just try to have the most horsepower either way... To keep it a good reason to upgrade...



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I would be surprised if they released another console at all. The One X isnt selling well at all and really, neither is the Xbox in general. They will need to come up with something that Sony doesn't have that makes people want that console over the PS5 or risk losing a ton of money. The One X is supposed to be a console that will last another 5 years



Superman4 said:
The One X is supposed to be a console that will last another 5 years

According to whom?



Pemalite said:
Superman4 said:
The One X is supposed to be a console that will last another 5 years

According to whom?

LOL exactly my thought



Superman4 said:
I would be surprised if they released another console at all. The One X isnt selling well at all and really, neither is the Xbox in general. They will need to come up with something that Sony doesn't have that makes people want that console over the PS5 or risk losing a ton of money. The One X is supposed to be a console that will last another 5 years

The Xbox is not selling well?? 

I mean OK it's not selling as much as the PS5 but it sure is selling well. With your statement we'd have one or two brands in every markets and that's it... Selling less or even far less than the leader, doesn't mean you can't turn a profit...

And on top of that you realize your non sens just when you see the investment they did in the VG department with the new dev studios... 



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