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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 16 June 2018

Whoa, Swich is back to 200K. If it's keeping up this well with the library it has, holiday is going to be really interesting.



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CaptainExplosion said:
Switch is doing better this time, and almost at 18 million units! :D

Switch is probably well over 18 million units, keep in mind this is VGC it's not too accurate.  I think they'll reveal 20M at their next meeting on July 31st. 



Ljink96 said:
CaptainExplosion said:
Switch is doing better this time, and almost at 18 million units! :D

Switch is probably well over 18 million units, keep in mind this is VGC it's not too accurate.  I think they'll reveal 20M at their next meeting on July 31st. 

Actually, I think VGC has a tendency to overtrack rather than undertrack consoles.



VGPolyglot said:
Ljink96 said:

Switch is probably well over 18 million units, keep in mind this is VGC it's not too accurate.  I think they'll reveal 20M at their next meeting on July 31st. 

Actually, I think VGC has a tendency to overtrack rather than undertrack consoles.

Well, the last time they reported Switch numbers, they were off by like 1M+ units when Nintendo did their FY meeting. I tend to give VGC the benefit of the doubt more than often but I've been burned using the estimates in the past. And that was moreso my fault, as they are what they are; estimates. 



Ljink96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Actually, I think VGC has a tendency to overtrack rather than undertrack consoles.

Well, the last time they reported Switch numbers, they were off by like 1M+ units when Nintendo did their FY meeting. I tend to give VGC the benefit of the doubt more than often but I've been burned using the estimates in the past. And that was moreso my fault, as they are what they are; estimates. 

Off by 1M+? Nintendo lists sales to retailers, VGC does sales to consumers.



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JRPGfan said:
Mar1217 said:

And we'll talk about this  when we'll have a more clear image after this holiday.

Yeah its too early to tell yet... either of you could be right.

I can understand Intrinsics logic though.
Going by this thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=234574

2018 sales so far:
PS4 : 6,516,224 units
XB1 : 2,190,595 units
NSW : 4,804,066 units

The Switch is 1,71m+ down compaired to the PS4 so far, and its going to keep growing most likely up towards the holidays.
The Switch will have to have a monsterous holiday sales, to beat the PS4 in 2018.

I guess it comes down to

PS4 : Spiderman + Red Dead Redemption + Call of Duty/Battlefield + Shadow of the tombraider + Fallout 76 + more.
vs
Switch:  Octopath Traveler + Super Mario Party + Pokemon lets go + Super Smash Bro's + more.


I think the PS4 lineup is stronger towards the holidays, yes thats because of the 3rd party support, but you cant just ignore 3rd party.
They do have a impact.

I agree that the PS4 lineup is stronger though I think we have to factor in the fact that PS4 is a lot closer to saturation point than the Switch.

Of the PS4 games I'm not sure that there's a game that's going to win over huge numbers of fans who haven't already been won over by something similar which has already been released...  Previous entries of Tomb Raider / Call of Duty / Battlefield / Fallout (although I realise the new one will be a change in direction) should have made fans of those franchise's bite already, and I'd say games like GTA, Batman and even God of War will have quite a lot of overlap with Spiderman & Red Dead.

On the other hand I think that Pokemon & Smash will appeal to a significant crowd who haven't necessarily been catered for on the platform up until this point. (I'm not personally looking forward to either tbh)

Even Mario Party might attract a few lapsed party gamers from the Wii era.

That's just my take and I could be wrong but will be interesting to watch!



Other than the raw numbers of consoles sold, there's also a shift clearly visible in the NPD prediction thread away from the base consoles and to the upgraded versions Pro and One X. For the PS4, the split seems to be roughly 60/40 between Slim and Pro, whereas for the XBO it seems already to have shifted to 40/60 between S and X, meaning outside of promotions the X is selling much better than the S

Intrinsic said:
chakkra said:

If this trend continues the Switch and the X1 will be both up YoY while the PS4 will be slightly down.

I can't help but wonder how much of an impact a $100 price cut would have on the X1X.

I think the PS4 still has a chance to be up YOY when comparing 2018 to 2017 or at the very worst match 2017 total sales. This is because even though the PS4 did 20M last year, it had a holiday sales period that was worse than it did in 2016. If sony drops the price this holiday season its possible the boost could take them over.

But even if its down YOY by around 1M or even 2M it would still be doing better than the XB1 and Switch.

Nah, the baseline of the PS4 this year is a good chunk lower than it was last year. This month it will fall behind last year by 1 full million already, and it doesn't look like summer will push many PS4 either until Spider hit the shelves in september. While PS4's December last year was weak, it had it's best November ever with a great BF deal (199 and 299$ for slim and pro, respectively) which made many buy their PS4 earler than planned. A 50$ pricecut won't be nearly enough to retake what has been lost over the course of the year until that point, and will have to make the same BF deal to have a chance to even equal last year's numbers. With the shift in console versions mentioned earlier, it looks like more and more are just upgrading and less new customers adding to the ecosystem than the raw number seem to imply.

It won't be down very far though, PS4 is still doing pretty well. I guess 16-18 are a real possibility. But imo that will be the last year with 15M+ sales for the PS4



Ljink96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Actually, I think VGC has a tendency to overtrack rather than undertrack consoles.

Well, the last time they reported Switch numbers, they were off by like 1M+ units when Nintendo did their FY meeting. I tend to give VGC the benefit of the doubt more than often but I've been burned using the estimates in the past. And that was moreso my fault, as they are what they are; estimates. 

I don't think it was adjust up, Switch was adjusted slightly down for end of 2017 and early 2018 as far as I remember.

Found an article from 16th March (so before FY meeting) saying the figures as of Feb 24th were 15.016m, currently they're 14.966m for that week, so it has been adjusted down slightly, there's been no evidence that they were 1M+ units off.



Barkley said:
Ljink96 said:

Well, the last time they reported Switch numbers, they were off by like 1M+ units when Nintendo did their FY meeting. I tend to give VGC the benefit of the doubt more than often but I've been burned using the estimates in the past. And that was moreso my fault, as they are what they are; estimates. 

I don't think it was adjust up, Switch was adjusted slightly down for end of 2017 and early 2018 as far as I remember.

Found an article from 16th March (so before FY meeting) saying the figures as of Feb 24th were 15.016m, currently they're 14.966m for that week, so it has been adjusted down slightly, there's been no evidence that they were 1M+ units off.

My memory must be shit then, lol. I could have sworn that they had to adjust up the last time... I'm talking about this;

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html

Maybe I'm wrong or talking about the wrong thing, but during their investors meeting on March 31st, they reported 17.79 Million units, but I may be thinking sold through vs. shipped, but I'm going off numbers that Nintendo is giving. 

Edit: Yes, It just clicked with me that I'm referring to units sold to retailers, but even then those are still only estimates. 

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FentonCrackshell said:

PS4 down YOY and still ruling the roost. XBOX One need some “forward compatible” games and not to reply on cross-play to try to sell consoles. Switch is doing well and 3DS is still the kid’s choice award. Finally, who the heck is buying Vita? I know plenty of gamers and not a single gamer I know owns a Vita. 

As you can see. Like 99% is from Japan. There are still games that is coming to the Vita. And not every anime games are coming to the Switch. Sooo the Vita is the only handheld in the market that can play it. 



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