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Mr Puggsly on 01 July 2018
zippy said:
Seems a bit cherry picked, as the actual article is quite praising of Panic buttons efforts

Doom already demonstrated the Switch can handle the engine and a game with visuals similar to this. Wolf 2 demonstrated they could create larger, more detailed environments as well, but the resolution is taking a serious dip.

And I'll repeat myself, do you want to see more games put a focus on visuals over resolution like this? Perhaps make it a trend of 480p and lower? Probably not.

Like I said in my original post. I don't really mind resolution dips on X1 to achieve 60 fps or a certain level of fidelity. But if its dropping to 360p, its time to make compromises. Maybe they had limited time and resources, but maybe there could have been less taxing effects implemented.



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Miyamotoo on 01 July 2018

Its very good port, almost all effects (there are only some water effects that are completly turn of in Switch version) are present in Switch version, and game looks indeticall outside of resolution difrence, but IMO 640x360 is not acceptible for docked mode (if its at least 640x480).

Also because only water effects are turn off in Switch version, those screenshots are not best comparison, especially because there are not that many water in game.



Miyamotoo on 01 July 2018
VGPolyglot said:
mjk45 said:
The best looking portable FPS I recall was Killzone Mercenary for Vita it looked good on the original oled screen running in Vita's native res , so I wouldn't mind seeing how the more demanding Wolfenstein on Switch plays and compares.

Wolfenstein is graphically impressive, but I think that a less-intensive game that could lock at 60FPS and 720p while undocked would look really nice, I wonder if Metroid Prime 4 will be like that.

This game and Metroid Prime 4 will be totally different things, Wolfenstein 2 is multi platform port while MP4 will be game from ground made for Switch hardware and capabilities on mind.

 

Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:
Great results for a mobile effort with those levels of dynamic visuals.
Absolutely horrendous results for docked mode whichever way you cut the cake.

I think they should have leveraged baked lighting and shadowing for a performance uptick at the cost of development time... And then boosted that resolution.
640x360 is pretty bad and not what I would ever consider acceptable in the modern era.

I can't help but think the Call of Duty games on Wii. They made serious visual compromises to bring several CoD games to Wii, it really looked like PS2 in comparison. With Wolf 2 though, it seems like they really wanted to achieve a similar visual fidelity albeit at lower settings. It kinda looks like the 8th gen version but a really muddy version.

I don't feel like this is a game that utilizes the Switch well. It feels more like they just scaled it down until it worked well enough.

Agree, Wolf 2 port for Switch outside resolution looks indentical with almost all effects present.

I think it would better they were going for higher resolution without some effects.



Mr Puggsly on 01 July 2018
Cobretti2 said:
Naum said:
By looking at the replies from this thread and the locked one is that in the end what upset people the most isnt the framerate or resolution of the game but instead that people can actually enjoy the game and have zero problems with it while playing it on the Switch.

Pretty much. Hell he even admitted the xbox one version wasa bit blury compared to the xbox one x

Hell why not throw up 8K images of PC version?

No one buying it on Switch gives a fuck about resolution, just like they didn't give a fuck about it on 3DS or VITA. If they cared they buy it on another system. This is common sense.

But again another not so clever bash thread at the switch.

Again, the screenshots is the Switch version compared to the best console visual fidelity. If it was a standard X1 used instead, the comparison would be less dramatic, but the Switch version would be no less blurry.

The X1X is much closer to Switch in price than a PC capable of the same performance/graphics at 8K. Not really relevant but I'll just add that.

3DS and Vita games are designed for their tiny screens and most games run native to the resolution of those screens (around 240p-540p?). Switch was built with a 720p (HD) screen and a lot of games achieve that resolution just fine. I'd even argue 720p looks acceptable on a large TV, Wolf 2 is in the ballpark of 720p on a standard X1. However, Switch was actually designed to achieve up to 1080p on a TV, it even gets a power boost from being docked to do higher resolutions. Hence, you're looking at Wolf 2 on Switch like its a game designed just for a small low res screen. Your logic is antithetical to the Switch, a device built with a HD screen and intended to play on HD TVs.

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Partrina on 01 July 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Partrina said:
that doesn't look half bad on the switch. i mean sure, it isn't as pretty as the xbox one but it still looks damn fine for a handheld game.

I hear ya, but do want Switch games to focus on resolutions like this? Better effects and assets over resolution? I doubt you want that.

Does it really look "damn fine"? I dunno about that, it looks viable.

For a handheld game yes. it looks fine. i like that they did this in the first place...more games to play.



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VGPolyglot on 01 July 2018
Miyamotoo said:
VGPolyglot said:

Wolfenstein is graphically impressive, but I think that a less-intensive game that could lock at 60FPS and 720p while undocked would look really nice, I wonder if Metroid Prime 4 will be like that.

This game and Metroid Prime 4 will be totally different things, Wolfenstein 2 is multi platform port while MP4 will be game from ground made for Switch hardware and capabilities on mind.

Well, that's kind fo what I was getting at, a game made specifically for the Switch could make better use of its hardware, along with not having to be compared to its more powerful companions.



Bajablo on 01 July 2018
Mr Puggsly said:

I have an X1 and its somewhat common to see games around or below 720p (60 fps games generally), but it just happens for a moment and they use techniques that really clean up the presentation.

Wolfenstein 2 on Switch though really pushes well the beyond the limits of what I consider acceptable for resolution. Maybe they didn't compromise enough on assets and effects.

"We pixel counted a wide variety of shots from the docked mode, and came up with a whole host of results. Everything ranging from a top end of 720p to 1216x684 to 540p and 432p all the way down to 640x360. When played in portable mode, 768x432 and 640x360 are common pixel counts, but it can increase from there depending on load. In general, it's comparable to the Switch version of Doom but seems to scale towards the low-end more often. There's no getting around it - this really is a very blurry game."

The first a screenshot from Switch docked, it would likely be blurrier undocked. The second shot is from X1X.

Its interesting to see what Switch can do, but maybe its better to port games to Switch that actually hold up well. Like... Skyrim.

 

 

 

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-wolfenstein-2-switch-tech-analysis

Lol, and ofc. you screencap the only scene where the switch does not have the same graphics option, water.
:P agenda much? but yeah, it is a bit blurry. looks way better than the screencap though in action



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captain carot on 01 July 2018

I'm playing Wolfenstein 2 on Switch right now. The actually really impressive part is how intact the overall visuals and especially lighting are overall. The framerate is only 30fps but very consistent.
Now for the bad part, yes, it can get really blurry. But playing in handheld mode it really doesn't feel that bad. It's actually quite impressive overall, Yes, it is my least sharp Switch game so far.
TV-mode is different in many ways. Resolution going higher overall and often being that low. It's far below the other console versions but playable.

Sure, Switch might be a better fit for smaller games. The majority of my Switch games so far are indies, followed by exclusives. Wolfenstein is my first big budget first party game so far. I'd love to see what kind of third party exclusives could be done on Switch.



Cobretti2 on 01 July 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Cobretti2 said:

Pretty much. Hell he even admitted the xbox one version wasa bit blury compared to the xbox one x

Hell why not throw up 8K images of PC version?

No one buying it on Switch gives a fuck about resolution, just like they didn't give a fuck about it on 3DS or VITA. If they cared they buy it on another system. This is common sense.

But again another not so clever bash thread at the switch.

Again, the screenshots is the Switch version compared to the best console visual fidelity. If it was a standard X1 used instead, the comparison would be less dramatic, but the Switch version would be no less blurry.

The X1X is much closer to Switch in price than a PC capable of the same performance/graphics at 8K. Not really relevant but I'll just add that.

3DS and Vita games are designed for their tiny screens and most games run native to the resolution of those screens (around 240p-540p?). Switch was built with a 720p (HD) screen and a lot of games achieve that resolution just fine. I'd even argue 720p looks acceptable on a large TV, Wolf 2 is in the ballpark of 720p on a standard X1. However, Switch was actually designed to achieve up to 1080p on a TV, it even gets a power boost from being docked to do higher resolutions. Hence, you're looking at Wolf 2 on Switch like its a game designed just for a small low res screen. Your logic is antithetical to the Switch, a device built with a HD screen and intended to play on HD TVs.

Yes but lets be honest your agenda is to bag out a device you don't intend to ever use.

Considering the other thread got deleted for switch bashing I don't see how this is any different other than the way you executed the bashing.



 

 

Ganoncrotch on 01 July 2018
Pemalite said:

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Ganoncrotch said:

It looks good on that small QHD screen indeed, but if you look at the actual game on a PC monitor at any sort of large res it really shows just how little power was in the Vita in comparison to the Switch, again this looked beautiful at the time but now after playing through Doom2016 on a mobile console it does look dated

The Vita didn't have a QHD/Quad-HD display?
It had a qHD display or Quarter-HD display. ;)

I know I know. Go away and all that. :P

 

 

 

 

No no, no "go away" about it, man I spend so much of my days explaining to people why their 8Mb Broadband is only downloading "1meg a second or so" the cap or non cap makes my statement wrong. Didn't know of QHD being Quad before, cool to learn.



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