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Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:

I believe the photo was what we call symbolism.  Meaning, they put a crying baby into a picture with Trump standing and looking down with no compassion as a symbol of what this administration is doing.  Did anyone really believe they stood together to take this picture?

Symbolism of lying maybe. They made a "correction" after the dad told on them which means either they lied about the situation the photo was taken or were wrong about it.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/time-magazine-stands-by-cover-after-photo-correction-captures-stakes-of-this-moment/

Well yes and no.  

How can a picture lie.  Would it be any different if they just posted a headline that says Trump administration mandates taking children away from their parents.  What if they just found a photo of the crying children within the containment camps and photograph them, oh I forgot, they cannot get access because they will not let them.  The photo is used to illustrate what the article is talking about.  Really, its not like this is new to any publication and has been used throughout history.  Now, if you can refute what the text within the article says, that's a whole different issue.  Trying to saying the photo is lying without actually reading the article is straw man politics.  Is the article wrong based on its portrayal of the facts concerning the issue.



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Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:

I believe the photo was what we call symbolism.  Meaning, they put a crying baby into a picture with Trump standing and looking down with no compassion as a symbol of what this administration is doing.  Did anyone really believe they stood together to take this picture?

Symbolism of lying maybe. They made a "correction" after the dad told on them which means either they lied about the situation the photo was taken or were wrong about it.

The times cover is nonsensical. The girl wasn't being separated from her mom and Trump isn't to blame for it. It's just a convenient club to hit Trump with even though the law was enacted during Clinton's presidency, ignored by Bush, changed during Obama's presidency so the kids are separated from the parents.

Trump is absolutly to blame for separation at the border.  This was a mandate executive order from him.  Yes the photo was not of a child who was separated at the border but the image and the administration to mandate all children be separated from their parents is a direct order from the President.  

Everyone keep taking about the law was put into place during the Clinton presidency, but what you continue to leave out is that the change made by Trump administration.  First, all illegal crossing was a misdemeanor in previous administrations.  Even if you read the article this rule was put into place, there wasn't any mandatory rule to remove children from their parents.  It was always the discretion of the border official and only if the child was in danger.  Because illegal immigration was a misdemeanor during Obama administration, if they caught you, they just released you back over the border.  Read up on the catch and release policy.  Next read up on the memo Session gave to the southern border mandating everyone is to be detained, child taken and held for criminal processing.  Last but not least read up on how now Trump administration just fell back to the catch and release policy during Obama administration.  The zero policy is still in place, but now officials are back to what they did before.  Meaning, it was always a mandate from Trump administration to take children from their parents because they believe this would be a deterrent.



Yet he doesn't ban people from countries with which he does business with.



OTBWY said:
Yet he doesn't ban people from countries with which he does business with.

Though the list of US trading partners is getting shorter. 



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:

Symbolism of lying maybe. They made a "correction" after the dad told on them which means either they lied about the situation the photo was taken or were wrong about it.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/time-magazine-stands-by-cover-after-photo-correction-captures-stakes-of-this-moment/

Well yes and no.  

How can a picture lie.  Would it be any different if they just posted a headline that says Trump administration mandates taking children away from their parents.  What if they just found a photo of the crying children within the containment camps and photograph them, oh I forgot, they cannot get access because they will not let them.  The photo is used to illustrate what the article is talking about.  Really, its not like this is new to any publication and has been used throughout history.  Now, if you can refute what the text within the article says, that's a whole different issue.  Trying to saying the photo is lying without actually reading the article is straw man politics.  Is the article wrong based on its portrayal of the facts concerning the issue.

You can edit a pic. 😹

The article itself can lie about the situation surrounding the pic and people can falsely associate it something with that's false or something it doesn't have anything to do with it.



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Lets see how it works out.



Qwark said:
OTBWY said:
Yet he doesn't ban people from countries with which he does business with.

Though the list of US trading partners is getting shorter. 

Sorry I meant him personally. And his family. As ridiculous as it is.



CaptainExplosion said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Are there immigrant children gulags I'm unaware of? I have the impression they're separating children for a processing period in relatively nice facilities.

The children are actually in more danger making the trek versus US facilities. I wish it was okay to blame the parents or the country of origin for being the real problem. But accountability is dead.

Relatively nice? What's NICE about being snatched up from your family just because a rich sociopath man baby doesn't like you?

Ok. So what would you do? Send the kids to prison with their parents? Even people born in America doesn't get any sympathy when they break the law and their kids gets taken away from them. I get that its horrible for kids to be separated from their parents, but what is the alternative?



Snoopy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Efforts to increase security, a stronger economy, tax cuts, and hopefully continued reducing of regulations... this is truly that dystopian/fascist future the media warned us about with no hyperbole.

Meanwhile the dems are pushing open borders, higher taxes, and kicking republicans out of restaurants? I gotta admit the dems really understand what's important to the ham and eggers.

This is the tolerant "left". You either agree with us or we will ruin your life mentality. Bill Maher wants a recession that will hurt American families in order to get rid of Trump. 

Either we get a recession or its the end of democracy!

I get the logic, you don't want the country to do so well that it makes a leader you hate look good. But actually wanting people to suffer just so Trump can be less popular, that's another level. I'm glad most the audience didn't applaud that statement, they are his fan and they realized that's crazy.



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Machiavellian said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Efforts to increase security, a stronger economy, tax cuts, and hopefully continued reducing of regulations... this is truly that dystopian/fascist future the media warned us about with no hyperbole.

Meanwhile the dems are pushing open borders, higher taxes, and kicking republicans out of restaurants? I gotta admit the dems really understand what's important to the ham and eggers.

Yes, and Republicans are egging any restaurant that have the name of Red Hen in it's name, or making death threats to people not even affiliated with the restaurant or even in the same city or state.  Yes, republican are sure showing they how classy they can respond.  I guess if a baker doesn't want to service a gay couple is ok then not serving someone because of a political view has to be wrong.

First let me ask, how is Trump making the economy stronger.  Lets see how these Taffif pan out before you give him that credit.  Tax Cuts, let see how that will pan out as well.  The Cuts are suppose to spur the economy so that we have a GDP over 3%.  This is suppose to basically negate the cuts hit to our deficit.  People did say that corporation were going to just buy up their stock with those cuts which will not be a net gain in the growth of the economy.  Reducing regulations.  I always wonder why people consider this a win.  You do know why regulations were put into place.  It was because of people like Trump, who would take advantage of something and then we had to regulate them since it was detrimental to either us the consumer, smaller business or the environment. 

Lets take the Clean water rule that Trump administration decided to halt.  I am sure there are people who would say, yeah, that was a bad rule from Obama because it put restrictions on farmers, ranchers and builders on the materials they use that could pollute streams, lakes etc.  So Trump administration put a halt to that rule because its business first for this administration.  Lets get rid of those pesky regulations that business have to adhere.  Next we get a report from the CDC on America water and streams and find how polluted they are because people are so concerned about giving business the ability to pollute or streams.  Oh, lets not forget Trump administration and the leaders within the Republican party wanted to get rid of class action suits on financial institutions.

I don't support making death threats. But that's something people on the left and right are guilty of.

The baker did serve gay people. He simply didn't want to make a custom cake for a gay wedding because of his religious beliefs. Don't change the reality to fit your narrative.

We have different perspectives on other things you mentioned and I don't want to argue all of them. There are regulations I support and others that just make get in the way of businesses, job creation, hurt education options, etc. We will see how the tariffs pan out, tax cuts along with reduced (efficient) spending it better. This is a bigger debate than I'm interested in right now.



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