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PwerlvlAmy on 26 June 2018
irstupid said:
CaptainExplosion said:

What are you trying to say here?

If you're going to sit there and make outlandish comparisons to the holocaust and this right now, then you might as well use this picture which every new media outlet plastered all over the web and tv to show how cruel this is. Time magazine even made it the cover of their magazine. This picture of a young girl being ripped from her family and sent to an American concentration camp.

pictures always pack a bigger punch than just words.

I could then start posting pictures from the real holocaust concentration camps. Though I am afraid that might get me in trouble cause the images are troubling.

Actually that post was propaganda. The father of the child himself came out and said that situation never took place. He debunked it himself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/22/time-magazines-major-screw-up-on-the-crying-girl-cover/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.407ba46a34ec



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irstupid on 26 June 2018
PwerlvlAmy said:
irstupid said:

If you're going to sit there and make outlandish comparisons to the holocaust and this right now, then you might as well use this picture which every new media outlet plastered all over the web and tv to show how cruel this is. Time magazine even made it the cover of their magazine. This picture of a young girl being ripped from her family and sent to an American concentration camp.

pictures always pack a bigger punch than just words.

I could then start posting pictures from the real holocaust concentration camps. Though I am afraid that might get me in trouble cause the images are troubling.

Actually that post was propaganda. The father of the child himself came out and said that situation never took place. He debunked it himself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/22/time-magazines-major-screw-up-on-the-crying-girl-cover/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.407ba46a34ec

Yea I know. I posted about that in another thread a few days ago.

I just thought it was fitting that someone that seemed to full heartedly believe that media backlash is the only thing keeping Trump from actual concentration camps to use that fake image to sprout his rhetoric.



PwerlvlAmy on 26 June 2018
CaptainExplosion said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

Actually that post was propaganda. The father of the child himself came out and said that situation never took place. He debunked it himself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/22/time-magazines-major-screw-up-on-the-crying-girl-cover/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.407ba46a34ec

But that doesn't mean it's ok for Trump to just take away people's children like this.

You can't claim he's doing something based off fake propaganda. Our border patrol even confirmed on multiple occasions that these kids are used as nothing more than tools to get illegal immigrant adults across the border and then when through, those kids are recycled to another immigrant where they used again. They're being used as tools for illegal immigration and trafficking. That's not cool.  

Everything about this situation going on with illegal immigration is being over exaggerated and over sensualized for votes.  Its sad to see. It's not one side doing either. Both parties are using this for a specific agenda and that part of it is annoying to see. 

Executive order was signed by Trump recently that will keep these ''families'' together upon being detained. This goes against the 1994(ish) law that was in place that everyone is so mad about and falsely attributes to Trump.

Both parties need to come together and make a permanent bill through congress that addresses this, but this will never happen as Chuck Shumer claims none of the democrats will negotiate this topic, they're grandstanding when they really shouldn't be doing so. 



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outlawauron on 26 June 2018
CaptainExplosion said:
Hyper_Upgrade said:

Actually no, if you want to get specific, this more correlates to FDR and the internment of the Japanese. Even that is not wholly the case because the Japanese had a legal right to live here. 

Racial tensions actually started dipping in 2015 which was long before Trump announced his candidacy. Foreign relations are subjunctive, but with the exception of Russia I have been incredibly pleased with his handling of foreign leaders. (NK, China, EU, Canada, Mexico). Autocratic governments also like to ban guns, so I'm not sure what you are getting at with this one.

In 1938 Hitler passed the German Weapons Act, which only applied to the new qualified “citizen”. Under this law, which applied to all guns and ammunition, it was specifically prohibited for Jews to hold, manufacture, or deal in firearms or ammunition, while making it easier for those in the Nazi regime to acquire and transfer rifles, shotguns, and ammunition.  Source

Still doesn't excuse Trump kidnapping migrant children and restricting immigration to the point where America is becoming isolated.

Over 300 countries can freely travel to the US! That means the US is now becoming isolated! I won't even bother arguing with you about "kidnapping of migrant children" because it's quite clear you have no intention of arguing in good faith. 



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PwerlvlAmy on 26 June 2018
CaptainExplosion said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

You can't claim he's doing something based off fake propaganda. Our border patrol even confirmed on multiple occasions that these kids are used as nothing more than tools to get illegal immigrant adults across the border and then when through, those kids are recycled to another immigrant where they used again. They're being used as tools for illegal immigration and trafficking. That's not cool.  

Everything about this situation going on with illegal immigration is being over exaggerated and over sensualized for votes.  Its sad to see. It's not one side doing either. Both parties are using this for a specific agenda and that part of it is annoying to see. 

Executive order was signed by Trump recently that will keep these ''families'' together upon being detained. This goes against the 1994(ish) law that was in place that everyone is so mad about and falsely attributes to Trump.

Both parties need to come together and make a permanent bill through congress that addresses this, but this will never happen as Chuck Shumer claims none of the democrats will negotiate this topic, they're grandstanding when they really shouldn't be doing so. 

Recycled? How can you accuse them of something so underhanded? That makes it sound like you're okay with children being taken away at the boarder and locked up like criminals.

And if Trump really did sign an order to keep the families together, why haven't the previously incarcerated children been returned to their parents?

Yes they're being recycled. They're used to get someone in and then given to another person to use to claim its their ''child'' so that can gain illegal entry into the states. That's exactly what recycling means.

 

There is literally zero ways to track if these kids and families are really even related to each other. So many times these people that claim ''these are my kids'', really aren't their parent at all and most likely a trafficker.  The only way to legally and factually determine the identity of these immigrants and their family is by contacting their home country and getting the official documents. That takes time, so what do you do? you can't let them freely into our society,you have to hold them, that's just common sense. 

Now with this executive order they will be able to be detained together, just like the media and democrats ''wanted''.  

It's a law passed by a democrat in the 90's that has us in this situation and it hasn't gotten any better, even under republican leadership of Bush, it didn't change for the better. So it's not just Democrats who hold the blame, its the Republican party as well



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h2ohno on 26 June 2018
CaptainExplosion said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

You can't claim he's doing something based off fake propaganda. Our border patrol even confirmed on multiple occasions that these kids are used as nothing more than tools to get illegal immigrant adults across the border and then when through, those kids are recycled to another immigrant where they used again. They're being used as tools for illegal immigration and trafficking. That's not cool.  

Everything about this situation going on with illegal immigration is being over exaggerated and over sensualized for votes.  Its sad to see. It's not one side doing either. Both parties are using this for a specific agenda and that part of it is annoying to see. 

Executive order was signed by Trump recently that will keep these ''families'' together upon being detained. This goes against the 1994(ish) law that was in place that everyone is so mad about and falsely attributes to Trump.

Both parties need to come together and make a permanent bill through congress that addresses this, but this will never happen as Chuck Shumer claims none of the democrats will negotiate this topic, they're grandstanding when they really shouldn't be doing so. 

Recycled? How can you accuse them of something so underhanded? That makes it sound like you're okay with children being taken away at the boarder and locked up like criminals.

And if Trump really did sign an order to keep the families together, why haven't the previously incarcerated children been returned to their parents?

Ending separations at the border is not the same thing as reuniting families that were already separated.

In general, a parent who breaks the law and goes to jail for it is separated from his or her child.  In most cases custody of the child then goes to the other parent or a close relative.  Here we have a situation where both parents are breaking the law and therefore go to prison while the children can't go to prison and don't have relatives in the country to send them to.  Trump's order means that new prosecutions of parents who illegally cross the border will stop, which the administration confirmed the following day.  But any prosecution which has already begun will still continue.

 



melbye on 26 June 2018
CaptainExplosion said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

You can't claim he's doing something based off fake propaganda. Our border patrol even confirmed on multiple occasions that these kids are used as nothing more than tools to get illegal immigrant adults across the border and then when through, those kids are recycled to another immigrant where they used again. They're being used as tools for illegal immigration and trafficking. That's not cool.  

Everything about this situation going on with illegal immigration is being over exaggerated and over sensualized for votes.  Its sad to see. It's not one side doing either. Both parties are using this for a specific agenda and that part of it is annoying to see. 

Executive order was signed by Trump recently that will keep these ''families'' together upon being detained. This goes against the 1994(ish) law that was in place that everyone is so mad about and falsely attributes to Trump.

Both parties need to come together and make a permanent bill through congress that addresses this, but this will never happen as Chuck Shumer claims none of the democrats will negotiate this topic, they're grandstanding when they really shouldn't be doing so. 

Recycled? How can you accuse them of something so underhanded? That makes it sound like you're okay with children being taken away at the boarder and locked up like criminals.

And if Trump really did sign an order to keep the families together, why haven't the previously incarcerated children been returned to their parents?

Because their "parents" broke the law so now they are in jail, how dense can you be



PwerlvlAmy on 26 June 2018
melbye said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Recycled? How can you accuse them of something so underhanded? That makes it sound like you're okay with children being taken away at the boarder and locked up like criminals.

And if Trump really did sign an order to keep the families together, why haven't the previously incarcerated children been returned to their parents?

Because their "parents" broke the law so now they are in jail, how dense can you be

No need to personal attacks here. We can disagree without calling others dense and going that route.



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massimus on 26 June 2018

The manufactured outrage has reached an art form lol. If you leave your kid in a car with the windows up while you go shopping then there is good chance they will get taken from you. And they should because if you do that then you are piece of shit and they have a better chance in foster care. If you send your 10 year old daughter across 3 countries with birth control because there is a good chance she will be raped and all for the purpose of securing your own place in the states because they won’t “split up your family” then you are a piece of shit patent, I’m sorry I have no sympathy. And the idea that you are an isolationist because you’re not for open border European socialism is beyond ignorant. 

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Mystro-Sama on 26 June 2018
CaptainExplosion said:
Ljink96 said:
Well, they claim that these countries that he banned, don't have proper security screenings for those who travel from them, so I think it's rational that something like this is put into place. That being said I still think overall it's a bit harsh.

Still doesn't excuse all of Trump's groping, mocking war heroes, racism, corruption, slander and child abduction.

Way to go America, you literally elected Hitler.

I hope you're joking.