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PQube cancels Omega Labyrinth Z western release on PS due to disagreement with Sony over sexual content

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twintail said:
Hiku said:

To be graphic means to give clear and vividly explicit details. Not every detail.


It is apples to oranges though. I just find it backwards that a game would get a tougher rating for showing a nipple, instead of all this. 
Omega Labyrinth Z may very well have deserved to get banned though. I haven't looked up what sort of interactions you can do with the character/s who look younger. This just always comes to mind in cases like these. Especially when it's something that's allowed in Japan but not overseas.

And I was actually thinking of a different game yesterday when I made this comment, called Doki Doki Literature Club. It has a similar anime artstyle to Omega Labyrinth.
Since I haven't played it (yet, possibly since I hear it's good) I didn't want to look up examples from it due to spoilers in case I play it at a later date.
But I actually woke up to this news on my timeline this morning: https://dontfeedthegamers.com/doki-doki-literature-club-teen-suicide/

Though Japanese laws on age of consent can be complicated, and vary from prefecture to prefecture. Individual prefectures in Japan generally seem to set the age between 16-18. But there seems to be exceptions if they are in a "sincere romantic relationship", which can take it down to 13.
Either way, if you have a more plausible theory on why this game was passed in Japan but not in the west then by all means, share. I haven't heard your take on it.

Graphic violence usually involves actually seeing the person receiving the violence. Showing an image of a girl lying on the floor in a pool of blood is not graphic. You don't see how she is killed. You don't see the stab wounds. Some other examples you have added are slightly different, and definitely fit the graphic label more appropriately. But then again, Zero Time Dilemma is indeed more violent compared to the 1st two games. But again, its largely able to see a release because most of the violence is not being shown in its entirety. Violence being received is happening off-screen (this is what I meant, sorry) with the results shown later. Sure, some of these are quite intense but then we go back to the argument of how violence is more acceptable due to various socio-historical and entertainment factors.

Showing a character, who looks like a child, being groped is not remotely the same thing. A key difference here is that in Zero Escape, you are not the one controlling the violence. In a game like Omega Labyrinth, the groping action is actually being controlled by the player.

Which comes to the age of consent issue. No, the laws governing age of consent in JPN are not complicated. No where in JPN is the age of consent 13, except for 2 very lowly populated and isolated islands. Every prefecture in JPN has the age of consent at 16 for women and 18 for men. In line with the USA and EU.

The game passes in JPN because opposition to it is still low. Which shouldn't surprise anyone considering JPN only banned child pornography 4 years ago. laws are black and white in JPN so its easy to get around the problem. That doesn't make it ok.

Kyuu said:

I could have sworn it was 16... just shows how little i know. If that were an Islamic country you wouldn't hear the end of it.

Dont let others fool you. you are correct. The age being 13 is just a misunderstanding of how laws in JPN actually work.

I've read through the posts and it looks to me that no one is entirely wrong. The situation is somewhat complicated; not necessarily in the sense of being difficult to understand (It's not.)

Age of consent being 13 in two essentially unpopulated Japanese islands still makes it mentally easier and more common to sympathize with glorified pedophiles. What's legalized in a small part of Japan can't be demonized by the larger part, so I can see this misleading "minimum age of consent" playing some role in the general tolerance of relationships with young girls. Their cultural roots and the "romantic relationship card" further "forgive" such development; if some dipshit is convicted in Tokyo for having an affair with a 13 year old, he may get out of it using the romantic relationship excuse or bringing up the otherwise useless country-level age of consent to make himself look less terrible than he probably is "I've made a small mistake, now get me out of here!"

There's a fairly obvious correlation between the growing lolicon sub-culture and this seeming indecisiveness/flexibility which is most likely rooted from the culture itself. Countless nations were pedophile-ish by today's standards but Japan is yet to completely grow out of it.

With that being said, I'm more surprised by Israel's policy on this. Strange to see a few developed countries behind most developing countries in this respect.



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Kyuu said: 

I've read through the posts and it looks to me that no one is entirely wrong. The situation is somewhat complicated; not necessarily in the sense of being difficult to understand (It's not.)


Age of consent being 13 in two essentially unpopulated Japanese islands still makes it mentally easier and more common to sympathize with glorified pedophiles. What's legalized in a small part of Japan can't be demonized by the larger part, so I can see this misleading "minimum age of consent" playing some role in the general tolerance of relationships with young girls. Their cultural roots and the "romantic relationship card" further "forgive" such development; if some dipshit is convicted in Tokyo for having an affair with a 13 year old, he may get out of it using the romantic relationship excuse or bringing up the otherwise useless country-level age of consent to make himself look less terrible than he probably is "I've made a small mistake, now get me out of here!"

There's a fairly obvious correlation between the growing lolicon sub-culture and this seeming indecisiveness/flexibility which is most likely rooted from the culture itself. Countless nations were pedophile-ish by today's standards but Japan is yet to completely grow out of it.

With that being said, I'm more surprised by Israel's policy on this. Strange to see a few developed countries behind most developing countries in this respect.

That isn't how it works. At all. 

Those 2 islands don't make it easier in any way. They are incredibly tiny and the only use they offer is for area control for Japan. I am willing to bet that most Japanese dont even know these islands unless they are hardcore nationalists (many dont even know Tsushima, the setting for the new Sony game). At time of writing, Wikipedia states both as being uninhabited. 

Regardless, nothing here can be extrapolated to any other part of Japan. The prefrectural laws that exist in Tokyo, dont apply to Hokkaido, for example.

The national law for the age of consent being 13 only applies to that age range. It doesnt mean that 13 upwards is ok, because the law doesnt apply to that age group. That is where prefecture laws come into place, because those laws are what govern the ages 13 to 18. And then there are local government laws which apply to the age of 20.

These laws dont work in their own vacuum. They all compliment one another to create the overall laws of the country. if anything, the prefecture law is actually more important than the national law in this case. 

The national law protects children from 1 - 12, prefecture laws protect children from 13 - 18, municipal laws 'protect' until the age of 20.

What this actually means is that its illegal to have sexual relations with someone under the age of 20 if you are above that age. 



I always used this as guideline to understanding age of consent in Japan. Don't know how accurate it is.



 

Nymeria said:
Barkley said: 

It doesn't have to be a depiction of a child having sex to be considered child pornography or at the very least child exploitation. Depictions of violence is not illegal, sexual depictions of children is.

There's no denying that the character in the middle here is a child:

This character is one of the specific reasons the UK's rating board gave for banning the game:

"The game is explicit in its setting within a “school” environment and the majority of the characters are young girls – one child is referred to as being a “first year” student and is seen holding a teddy bear. The game clearly promotes the sexualisation of children via the sexual interaction between the game player and the female characters."

I'd say the player having to touch and fondle a clearly underage character is very reasonable grounds for a ban. Violence on the screen and for real are very separate in our minds, sex is not, hence the majority of the world getting off on porn.

In your mind there are two worlds, one in which the game is released and one in which it isn't.  What difference would it make in the world?

^^^Classic.  That's all I will say on this subject.  Have a great and powerful day.



Not sure this needs a NSFW warning, but here it is.

http://www.returnofkings.com/179084/10-attractive-teachers-who-had-sex-with-their-teenage-students?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter%20dlvrit%20rss

I'm curious what Japanese games all these teachers are importing, since there seems to be a new headline every other week.



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After reading that ESRB rating....
I want this game.

As for those saying this is wrong because it depicts a crime. GTA still selling right?.... please don't be on the side of "shooting someone in a game doesn't make anyone want to do it irl" but then suggest that a game like this will make people want to run out and start fondling breasts on the street. Do all gamers a favour and stop that train of thought even pulling out of the station.



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Ganoncrotch said:
After reading that ESRB rating....
I want this game.

As for those saying this is wrong because it depicts a crime. GTA still selling right?.... please don't be on the side of "shooting someone in a game doesn't make anyone want to do it irl" but then suggest that a game like this will make people want to run out and start fondling breasts on the street. Do all gamers a favour and stop that train of thought even pulling out of the station.

To take this point further, there's a fine line between fantasy and reality. This is especially true for a game like Omega Labyrinth Z where it uses an anime artstyle as opposed to going for a realistic look like in Detroit.



Aura7541 said:
Ganoncrotch said:
After reading that ESRB rating....
I want this game.

As for those saying this is wrong because it depicts a crime. GTA still selling right?.... please don't be on the side of "shooting someone in a game doesn't make anyone want to do it irl" but then suggest that a game like this will make people want to run out and start fondling breasts on the street. Do all gamers a favour and stop that train of thought even pulling out of the station.

To take this point further, there's a fine line between fantasy and reality. This is especially true for a game like Omega Labyrinth Z where it uses an anime artstyle as opposed to going for a realistic look like in Detroit.

And it's rubbing a piece of sushi (I think) between someone's breasts to make them grow... that isn't a thing which is real, it's just complete fantasy stuff.

In GTAV you waterboard another human being, an actual practice used to torture people is used in the game to torture another human to get them to do what you want, it uses real people in a fictional but based on real city, using real weapons in real crimes, yet any news story on it causing real crimes is always scoffed at by gamers as a whole because it clearly doesn't change how people really act in the real world.

But between the above two... if I was going to sign off on selling the real life torture simulator or the rubbing a piece of sushi between breasts simulator, I know which one I'd rather see being emulated on the news at 6pm.



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