It depends on the game in PSVR. A lot render the move controllers as well, yet it's not smart enough to recognize you having them the wrong way around (in the wrong hands) and the move buttons are so tiny while the resolution so low it's hard to see where what button is for new players. I still have problems with the odd layout of the buttons... Same with the DS4 rendered in game it's hard to see for new players what to press. Plus the game prompts to press the T button for example, new comers don't even know which way to hold the move, let alone find the T button. It needs to be more accessible.

Not being able to see the environment or edges of the play space at least is also a problem when letting new players try it out. I constantly have to steer them back to the camera with the out of play area warnings. Vive has a lot bigger play area at least yet inside out tracking would solve this with a wire frame overlay to stop you walking into furniture and walls. I think the Windows MR headsets already do this.

It is funny though, watching someone try Superhot VR holding guns upside down and not being able to shoot, drop or throw a gun.... Wave it around that sticky gun, oh wait don't move, dead. Move needs to be put to pasture. It was great tracking tech for last gen, arguably the best, this gen it's definitely the worst and a millstone around PSVRs neck. It was a nice bonus if you still had it from last gen and were already used to the controllers, yet damn those move controllers are awful in VR for someone who has never touched a move before.

See, what you call progression, is just a small factor into what people do and do not want to see nor use/not use. Your visions are not something everyone wants to share, and it's never going to rebound towards "tough luck it's definitely happening, my visions are truth". Not everyone shares your visions, nor wants them to happen, because a good chunk of your visions, your fantasy future dreams serve to put others like myself off, and again it's never going to rebound towards "deal with it" or anything, it's just that people who want everyone to fall under one silly dream banner ened to learn to stop pushing "future" ideals onto others.

The old stays with the new. My island is living proof of that, and it doesn't fall under the typical "ugh why are you so old fashioned and using that device/vehicle?" (because I know that's what future dreamers love to spout with their perfect ideals towards wanting something they think is outdated to be done away with).

R* doesn't even need to take GTA to being VR designed. The series from it's inception has been from a top down to 3rd person perspective, and not solely a first person one. See that idea of yours, the best people, the more smarter folk to work on what you want, means the other side suffers. You know this is how things currently are with VR, because we have staff working on the default factor of gaming as is. You basically want things switched the other way around, but it's not going to work that way and the results will not be the same every time either. I don't want a random studio being piled onto "traditional" game design, in the chances that they might make a good game for "traditional" screens. 

"long for the experiences of "yesteryear". you make it sound like Walt Disney's Epcot project, like you're from this futuristic 1960's era, where we have flying cars and K+M are so "yesteryear". They aren't even close to being that at all, and it's not going to be "nostalgic either".

Well Jak was designed from the start as a 3D platforming adventure title, not one designed purely just for VR. New IP's designed for VR get to be designed in such a way, but warping classic IP's for VR junkies just isn't faithful to fans of the original and serves to put off others who were wanting the default experience (the way the game was designed).

The thing is, you won't see, because all these future visions you've been having since you joined this site, are yours, and you cannot think that any part of them contains a single flaw or that not everyone sharing your ideals. There are 7+ billion of us on this rock, not all of us think like you nor share in your ideals either. There will always be disagreement to one ideal over another and yes, progress to those ideals can be stifled. Your "options" are designed in a way for one to easily turn around and go "ugh, why are you using primitive tech", and yes, I know how that is responded to, and no, that's how we see things differently. I mean if you want to talk primitive, then look no further than the human body, compared to say a futuristic cyborg or an advanced AI, but no one likes to admit they are primitive and inferior to machinery, nor do they want to succumb to it.

My ideal vision is to have the holodeck, which means having one holodeck, not a Sony, Ninty or MS one either, not one designed as a console or a little digital watch. The way I'd like to see things done, would go against your core ideals, because quite frankly, I find the idea of wanting to use a console as a PC, let alone a handheld as backwards and entirely primitive. What I'd like you to do is go with a different route with technology, but you won't want to because it would go against your ideals if you went for mine.

My ideals can offer options as well, but I know for a fact that not everyone would agree with them, and that's fine. I'm not going to pull a simple minded "I know you don't like what I want to happen, but it's going to happen either way" speech because that wins over no one and makes one look like a day dreamer.

To put it simply, what I want isn't what you want.

Nice. Beat Saber wasn't on sale or I would have gotten that.  I did get Arizona Sunshine, but haven't tried it yet.  Playing Lone Echo atm. 

VR is amazing.  I have been somewhat dissatisfied as a gamer with the lack of advances in technology.  I'm an "experience" gamer more than anything.  I like to feel epic shifts in game design and game feel with each new generation.  Graphic upgrades alone just doesn't do it anymore, it requires game, UI, or tech design shifts. It is amazing to see the world "around" you rather than in a box, to interact with it directly as if "you" are a game asset.  It is amazing.  Definitely what my gaming life was missing.  Sure, the cords are too many, the screens too small, the resolution too low, and the headset too heavy, but it is more than worth it.  The experience is such an immersive one that I forget all of that for most of the playtime. Will check out some of those you listed.

Games I have: In Death, The Invisible Hours, I Expect You to Die, Wilson's Heart, Lone Echo, Job Simulator, Space Pirate Trainer, Arizona Sunshine, the free games like Robo Recall, Lucky's Tale, Dead and Buried.  I spent maybe $500 total, and have more than enough options to last me till 2020 when the next round of tech hits.

We'll have to wait for many issues to be solved, but it looks like many companies are committed to improve it. Eventually, good quality and immersion VR solutions, and the HW power necessary to make them work smoothly, will become affordable enough to be mainstream.

VR is all right, it'd be better if I didn't feel sick every time I used it though. Also, the controls/movement still isn't quite there yet.

What do you mean by controls / movement?

Like how with Doom VFR instead of general movement it's just teleportation, and other games do the same I believe.

I can't say much about psvr. I know that the tech is kinda, well, let's say vive and rift can do way more like precise tracking and letting you walk around in a defined space or circle. You always see the boundaries, so you can't walk into objects if you have set it up correctly.

Valve even offers a tutorial for people trying it out for the first time:

https://youtu.be/Kg7gPiz8-SU

When I intoduce new people to VR, I take the very slow way of them getting adjusted to it. Let them play with the physics and getting a clue about the controls. Not necessarly letting them play a game where locomotion is being used. It was pretty hilarious when I let my mom try it out. I put her on some kind of mountain and this was just too real for her. So she went on screaming >.<

Getting back to the psvr, I hope that Sony supports it with their next gen console.  They could do way more with it, but it depends if their customers are also willing to go further.

When I looked for a VR headset, I wanted to get the best one available around with the best support. Really good tracking is a must for me. So, since I don't like Facebook, I went with HTC Vive. After trying it out for some time, I went for the Pro to get the higher resolution. But the higher res comes with a way higher cost of resources, so here I am hoping for the next gen GPU's.

Doom VFR sadly doesn't use it. Movement is there, though, like in Skyrim VR. Also it depends on the developer and the game itself. There are a lot of games that are using locomotion. So you can move freely around as you please. That means, if you are used to it. 

Lile you can see here:

https://youtu.be/5lNhKM4TzZA

It's all possible and even more.

I sure love to share this video around:

https://youtu.be/qwcHnG8EDTw

The immersion is just amazing.

https://youtu.be/9ihMYVqa2Xg

As a lover of the Oculus Go and PSVR, I just want more power, higher resolution (though the Go is pretty great!), no wires, and better battery life. Aside from that, the current state of VR is awesome and I only see it becoming more and more of a part of our lives. I find myself escaping for hours a day and I can't wait until more people fall in love with it like I have.