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KLAMarine said:

Nothing petty about getting your EG account hijacked.

Yes there is, whatever reasons any company has is petty at this point. If Sony had exclusive items and people logged in with their Epic account to claim those items, which are Playstation exclusive items, then Sony doesn't want them being used on other platforms, so denied the use of the epic account on other platforms, petty. Just disable the items if that account is used elsewhere, it can obvious recognise the platform it's on.

This Minecraft thing, you are required to log into your Xbox Live account to cross play on Switch, right? In right mind, Sony said no, why should you log in to a competitors eco-system to play with them when you are already logged into your own and playing the game? Why is that needed? Just let the person who has purchase the game play with their friends without extra log ins? Is this why cross play isn't available between other games (Rocket League etc)? MS are saying you need to log into Xbox Live account you may not have?

Last gen, MS saying no to Cross play and even early on in this gen and the reason why FF14 and SFV isn't on Xbox One, now they changed their mind and are the good guys? 

It's a mess, there is no side to take. Just anti-consumer bullcrap.



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Valdath said:

 

I didn't knew Trump worked at Sony xD

Appropriate that PSN is a fence here.

The Fury said:
KLAMarine said:

Nothing petty about getting your EG account hijacked.

Yes there is, whatever reasons any company has is petty at this point. If Sony had exclusive items and people logged in with their Epic account to claim those items, which are Playstation exclusive items, then Sony doesn't want them being used on other platforms, so denied the use of the epic account on other platforms, petty. Just disable the items if that account is used elsewhere, it can obvious recognise the platform it's on.

This Minecraft thing, you are required to log into your Xbox Live account to cross play on Switch, right? In right mind, Sony said no, why should you log in to a competitors eco-system to play with them when you are already logged into your own and playing the game? Why is that needed? Just let the person who has purchase the game play with their friends without extra log ins? Is this why cross play isn't available between other games (Rocket League etc)? MS are saying you need to log into Xbox Live account you may not have?

Last gen, MS saying no to Cross play and even early on in this gen and the reason why FF14 and SFV isn't on Xbox One, now they changed their mind and are the good guys? 

It's a mess, there is no side to take. Just anti-consumer bullcrap.

As far as I know, Minecraft is the only game that requires an XBL log-in.

Yes, Microsoft changed their minds and now they're the good guys because they're following through and promoting a pro-consumer feature and not compromising people's EG accounts.



HoangNhatAnh said:
Rafie said:

Arrogance?! How so?

Yeah, can't understand why he said that. Sony's slogan is "For the players", so there is no way they can be arrogance

I'm speaking about how they are arrogant in THIS particular instance. What are they being arrogant about? Arrogant isn't a word I would use to describe Sony in THIS particular scenario.



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EricHiggin said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

There's literally no valid way to defend Sony in this instance.  It's just interesting to see the turn around from both companies this generation. Last generation you had cross play with titles such as Final Fantasy XI across PC,PS2 and Xbox 360, was pretty awesome. This generation in order to defend Sony people have to bring up ''Well well this one time Sony asked this and Microsoft said no'', which somehow justifies Sony's current arrogance.  People back last gen had the right to criticize and even give Microsoft the same level of hate that they're giving Sony now, but to use that old excuse as a crutch to prop up Sony and damage control for them is pretty folly to me too. 

Sony has messed up in their decision to cross-platform play this generation, that may change and it may not, it's still a screw up, so the other two companies are just going to capitalize on it and band together for certain titles, smart business move overall and hopefully it continues. Then by the NEXT generation in a few years,hopefully all three companies will be doing cross play together and all three get over their own individual arrogance

If your friends do the same job that you do, but they work for a larger corporation and make a lot more money because of it, which allows them to have more cooler stuff, then that is considered normal. What wouldn't be normal, would be if you went to their corporation and demanded they give you money so you could have lot's of cool stuff like your friends have. They might very well offer you a job, and you would be expected to take it if you really want what you say you want, but if you refuse for whatever reason, that company is going to tell you to take a hike. If you got on social media and explained this to everyone, they either wouldn't believe the story because something would have to be missing for it to make any sense on your part, or they would tell you to make a choice and either stay where you are and miss out or take the new job and get the cool stuff you want. This makes sense.

If you own an XB1 or Switch, but your friends own a PS4, which is the market leader, and they get cool stuff because of it, then that is normal. For you to go to PS and demand they open up cool stuff like cross play so you can play with your friends, wouldn't be normal. PS may offer you a PS4 or Pro, but if you don't want to purchase it for whatever reason, then they are going to tell you to take a hike. Then you get on social media and explain this to everyone, but instead of them telling you it doesn't make sense or that you simply need to make a choice, they all instead join you and demand that PS basically give you all cross play, or free money, just like in the above example. How does this make any sense at all?

Some people may be gullible, but there is no doubt that others are simply hoping for this to happen because it would benefit themselves now and potentially into the future at no cost to them. The truth of the matter is that there is no guarantee that this will always make things better.

If for example, PS allows it, but screws up next gen bad like XB1 did, and XB and Nin hit the nail on the head and absolutely crush PS5, that will more than likely lead to major financial problems for the PS brand. Which could hurt it in many ways, like maybe less and worse quality first party titles, or even having to put those titles on XB and Nin platforms to make enough profits. What would be the point in even buying a PS5 at all then? Don't you think at that point in time, all the PS fans will be bashing XB and Nin for pushing to enable cross play since that allowed anyone to buy any brand of console, knowing full well they could play third party titles wherever they want and not be enticed to buy a PS5 due to not having an enclosed system anymore short of PS exclusives? Should XB and Nin be expected to literally turn people away so the PS5 ecosystem can stay relevant and keep those fans happy whatever it is they may want? Do you really think XB and Nin would go out of their way to help PS in a crisis like that? Did the Wii and 360 help PS3? Has the PS4 helped XB1 and Switch?

While there are many possible outcomes for the future, cross play may be leverage PS requires to keep up their ecosystem as it exists just in case. Maybe, maybe not. If losing that leverage meant PS and it's fans would no doubt suffer in whatever way to some degree in the future, would everyone still want cross play to be implemented? I would expect not since it's all about keeping gamers from every platform as happy as possible, and an unhappy PS5 group of gamers would go against this thinking. While it's possible nothing changes and PS5 does just fine, what if it didn't?

Well thought out response and sensible.



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Rafie said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Yeah, can't understand why he said that. Sony's slogan is "For the players", so there is no way they can be arrogance

I'm speaking about how they are arrogant in THIS particular instance. What are they being arrogant about? Arrogant isn't a word I would use to describe Sony in THIS particular scenario.

Yeah, it is not arrogant. Poor word choice, to be exact, it is ignorant



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HoangNhatAnh said:
Rafie said:

I'm speaking about how they are arrogant in THIS particular instance. What are they being arrogant about? Arrogant isn't a word I would use to describe Sony in THIS particular scenario.

Yeah, it is not arrogant. Poor word choice, to be exact, it is ignorant

Now that makes more sense.



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Rafie said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Yeah, it is not arrogant. Poor word choice, to be exact, it is ignorant

Now that makes more sense.

Yeah, Sony is ignorant. And you are agreeing with me, good



HoangNhatAnh said:
Rafie said:

Now that makes more sense.

Yeah, Sony is ignorant. And you are agreeing with me, good

Of course I agree from a gamer's standpoint. I also understand from a business standpoint Sony's stance. I definitely cross play. What gamer doesn't want to play with others. I was legitimately asking about their arrogance in this scenario. Not that they were never arrogant or I was defending them. I call out all big companies when they're wrong. I was really just curious.



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Rafie said:
EricHiggin said:

If your friends do the same job that you do, but they work for a larger corporation and make a lot more money because of it, which allows them to have more cooler stuff, then that is considered normal. What wouldn't be normal, would be if you went to their corporation and demanded they give you money so you could have lot's of cool stuff like your friends have. They might very well offer you a job, and you would be expected to take it if you really want what you say you want, but if you refuse for whatever reason, that company is going to tell you to take a hike. If you got on social media and explained this to everyone, they either wouldn't believe the story because something would have to be missing for it to make any sense on your part, or they would tell you to make a choice and either stay where you are and miss out or take the new job and get the cool stuff you want. This makes sense.

If you own an XB1 or Switch, but your friends own a PS4, which is the market leader, and they get cool stuff because of it, then that is normal. For you to go to PS and demand they open up cool stuff like cross play so you can play with your friends, wouldn't be normal. PS may offer you a PS4 or Pro, but if you don't want to purchase it for whatever reason, then they are going to tell you to take a hike. Then you get on social media and explain this to everyone, but instead of them telling you it doesn't make sense or that you simply need to make a choice, they all instead join you and demand that PS basically give you all cross play, or free money, just like in the above example. How does this make any sense at all?

Some people may be gullible, but there is no doubt that others are simply hoping for this to happen because it would benefit themselves now and potentially into the future at no cost to them. The truth of the matter is that there is no guarantee that this will always make things better.

If for example, PS allows it, but screws up next gen bad like XB1 did, and XB and Nin hit the nail on the head and absolutely crush PS5, that will more than likely lead to major financial problems for the PS brand. Which could hurt it in many ways, like maybe less and worse quality first party titles, or even having to put those titles on XB and Nin platforms to make enough profits. What would be the point in even buying a PS5 at all then? Don't you think at that point in time, all the PS fans will be bashing XB and Nin for pushing to enable cross play since that allowed anyone to buy any brand of console, knowing full well they could play third party titles wherever they want and not be enticed to buy a PS5 due to not having an enclosed system anymore short of PS exclusives? Should XB and Nin be expected to literally turn people away so the PS5 ecosystem can stay relevant and keep those fans happy whatever it is they may want? Do you really think XB and Nin would go out of their way to help PS in a crisis like that? Did the Wii and 360 help PS3? Has the PS4 helped XB1 and Switch?

While there are many possible outcomes for the future, cross play may be leverage PS requires to keep up their ecosystem as it exists just in case. Maybe, maybe not. If losing that leverage meant PS and it's fans would no doubt suffer in whatever way to some degree in the future, would everyone still want cross play to be implemented? I would expect not since it's all about keeping gamers from every platform as happy as possible, and an unhappy PS5 group of gamers would go against this thinking. While it's possible nothing changes and PS5 does just fine, what if it didn't?

Well thought out response and sensible.

This doesn't negate the fact that PS still could potentially allow it if they feel they have enough aces up their sleeves for the future. Cross play should be great for everyone and would more than likely strengthen the entire gaming sector, but anyone who expects PS to do this just because 'the cool kids' (XB and Nin) say it's the thing to do these days, doesn't mean PS has to, or is going to follow. Making sure their business is as stable as possible going into the future is the most important above all, without being too anti consumer because if PS ends up on the other side of the fence later on, another brand will be the anti consumer market leader and PS would in a way be at fault, letting their fans and the industry down as a whole. No different than how XB let their fans and the industry down in 2013, and has spent the entire gen becoming as pro consumer as possible to make up for it. PS did this to themselves once already, just in a different way with PS3, and they are going to be super careful before going down that unknown road again without spare tires just in case.



I don't see what's wrong with "changing their mind." Using that as a way to downplay is stupid. It proves a company is progressive enough to admit their failures and change for the better, doing nothing proves only arrogance.



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