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zorg1000 on 19 June 2018
Megiddo said:
zorg1000 said:

Doom falls into one of the categories i just listed, it released 1.5 years after the PS4/XBO/PC versions. The amount of care doesnt really matter when the fanbase already owns the game.

So you think the majority of Switch owners have already played Doom on PS4/XBO/PC?

Funny how being years-old ports don't matter if it's Mario Kart or Donkey Kong yet it somehow matters for third party games.

Because they are 100% different situations.

Wii U exclusives were limited to the poor install base of the system meaning they could potentially sell better on a more popular system.

A game that released on a combination of PS3/360/PS4/XBO/PC is not limited to install base and if it failed on those systems than it most likely wasnt a desirable game.

If you cant see the difference between releasing on a ~13.5 million selling platform and releasing on multiple platforms that easily add up to over 100 million than i dont know what to tell you.



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Megiddo on 19 June 2018

God of War is over 250k retail in the UK according to the latest numbers from the PAL charts thread on era.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/9389251/



ZODIARKrebirth on 19 June 2018

next week gtav ps4 will pass 18mil, amazing



Biggerboat1 on 19 June 2018
Megiddo said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Not sure what point you're actually trying to make here - first of all you criticise the Switch for not moving much 3rd party software compared to 1st party.

When it is pointed out that the Switch fares quite well when comparing the 3rd party software that has been released you then go on to point out that we shouldn't be shocked when more ambitious multiplatform games aren't released for Switch...?

Also, defining a successful Switch release as one that outsells the XB1 version doesn't seem fair, since A) it has a much bigger install base & B) a lot of the games released on XB1 much earlier than Switch.

Your arguments are kind of all over the place and kind of smack of you wanting to be negative about Switch, but you're not quite sure how to go about it...

I pointed out that the western developed 3rd party software that sells well on switch relative to other consoles is primarily cartoony and kid friendly. If that argument is too "all over the place" for you then I advise you to read it over and over and then process the information in that sentence in your brain until you can comprehend its meaning. It's an extremely simple argument that is well-founded by the data that has been provided in this thread. So is it that you really cannot understand data-derived simple statements and logic or are you just attempting to obfuscate and deflect by pretending to not understand?

That's not what you stated in your first post, you said "Switch owners love Nintendo games and pretty much shun everything else at retail."

Now you are saying "western developed 3rd party software that sells well on switch relative to other consoles is primarily cartoony and kid friendly"

So which is it? All 3rd party games sell bad on Switch or just the non-cartoony ones? Do you even know what point your're trying to make?

Let's say that your 2nd point which I mention is true, then what? Is cartoony bad & everything else good, what is the underlying conclusion you want to arrive at?



pastro243 on 19 June 2018

Great software for ps4, it's a very high number each week



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Megiddo on 19 June 2018
Biggerboat1 said:
Megiddo said:

I pointed out that the western developed 3rd party software that sells well on switch relative to other consoles is primarily cartoony and kid friendly. If that argument is too "all over the place" for you then I advise you to read it over and over and then process the information in that sentence in your brain until you can comprehend its meaning. It's an extremely simple argument that is well-founded by the data that has been provided in this thread. So is it that you really cannot understand data-derived simple statements and logic or are you just attempting to obfuscate and deflect by pretending to not understand?

That's not what you stated in your first post, you said "Switch owners love Nintendo games and pretty much shun everything else at retail."

Now you are saying "western developed 3rd party software that sells well on switch relative to other consoles is primarily cartoony and kid friendly"

So which is it? All 3rd party games sell bad on Switch or just the non-cartoony ones? Do you even know what point your're trying to make?

Let's say that your 2nd point which I mention is true, then what? Is cartoony bad & everything else good, what is the underlying conclusion you want to arrive at?

I don't make statements of if something is "good" or "bad". I make rational deductions using data. I have loved plenty of cartoony and kid-friendly games and have loved plenty of non-cartoony and non-kid-friendly games.  I'm not trying to put games above one or the other. I'm not out here to score points for one console over the other. I'm a PC gamer. That's where my loyalties lie and I have no bone to pick in console wars. I've owned a NES, Gameboy, SNES, Gameboy Color, Virtual Boy, N64, Gamecube, Wii as well as a PS1 and my latest purchase was a Playstation TV so I could play all the Vita visual novel sequels that didn't get a PC release (like Utawarerumono).

Now, if you want to actually argue what I've stated I'm definitely willing to listen to what you have to say about it. But right now I'm tired of this sorta meandering diatribe that doesn't even attempt to refute what I've argued.



Biggerboat1 on 19 June 2018
Megiddo said:
Biggerboat1 said:

That's not what you stated in your first post, you said "Switch owners love Nintendo games and pretty much shun everything else at retail."

Now you are saying "western developed 3rd party software that sells well on switch relative to other consoles is primarily cartoony and kid friendly"

So which is it? All 3rd party games sell bad on Switch or just the non-cartoony ones? Do you even know what point your're trying to make?

Let's say that your 2nd point which I mention is true, then what? Is cartoony bad & everything else good, what is the underlying conclusion you want to arrive at?

I don't make statements of if something is "good" or "bad". I make rational deductions using data. I have loved plenty of cartoony and kid-friendly games and have loved plenty of non-cartoony and non-kid-friendly games.  I'm not trying to put games above one or the other. I'm not out here to score points for one console over the other. I'm a PC gamer. That's where my loyalties lie and I have no bone to pick in console wars. I've owned a NES, Gameboy, SNES, Gameboy Color, Virtual Boy, N64, Gamecube, Wii as well as a PS1 and my latest purchase was a Playstation TV so I could play all the Vita visual novel sequels that didn't get a PC release (like Utawarerumono).

Now, if you want to actually argue what I've stated I'm definitely willing to listen to what you have to say about it. But right now I'm tired of this sorta meandering diatribe that doesn't even attempt to refute what I've argued.

It's kind of difficult to refute what you're arguing when your own statements are contradictory...

I made this point in my previous post, which you've obviously chosen to ignore in favour of giving me a laundry list of the systems you've owned (before then going on to accuse me of meandering...).

You also claim to make 'rational observations using data' whilst at the same time defining Switch games as performing poorly when they fail to outsell their XB1 equivalent, when the latter has A) been out longer, B) over twice the userbase and C) had a good deal of the games release several months or longer prior (alongside a healthy marketing budget) - can you explain to me your rationale there?