Nautilus said: Lonely_Dolphin said: That's lots of words but no evidence to back them up, whereas I've provided just a few of many examples. Now Im not giving examples?I mean, if you simply forget everything I wrote about game sales, or how I wrote a whole paragraph about how surprise can be essential and everything?*sigh* Given that its pretty clear now that you are simply complaining for the purpose of complaining and not being able to admit that I have at the very least the possibility of being right, Ill declare that the argument is over and that I was right.This will be my last reply to you on this subject.Have a nice day!

I can't forget what never happened. Just saying surprise is essential because you say so isn't an example, and the game sales you brought up were in relation to 3rd party significance, not surprise factor. Infact I even turned the Fortnite numbers against you.

Ha, looks like you know you can't beat cold hard evidence. It's really not that hard to just admit when you're wrong, I've done it plenty of times, but whatever, flee thinking you're right. Your whole point that the direct could of been better is irrelevant anyway.

wombat123 said: Mcube said: Except they blew the competition out of the water last year?  Wasn't really hard to considering that, for the most part, Sony repeated their presentation from a year ago and Microsoft expected people to be impressed by a bunch of multiplats and 'console exclusive' games.

Sony repeated the presentation from last year this year aswell and I see all the sony fans applauding it this time. Nintendo´s last E3 was a really really good one you can´t deny that. 

Miyamotoo said: DélioPT said:  If focusing on the short term is so great and the only thing companies need, why doesn't everyone do the same? Specially after looking at Switch. Why is that? Lol, point that everyone else are doing things in difrent way doesnt mean that Nintendos way is wrong way, I mean numbers (hardware and software sales) tells us without doubt that their strategy works for them, from your point you could also said that its wrong way Nintendo releasing hybrid console. From some reason you have hard time accepting that Nintendo is managing things different and that not everyone need to managing things in same way.  Also for instance Sony also talked few months ago how they dont want any more to announce games so much in advance and want to have smaller amount of time between announcing and releasing game.

I never said that Nintendo needs to be like everyone else in every regard.
Still, you didn't answer my question: if that strategy is so awesome, why doesn't everyone copy Nintendo?
If we go by what you say, then it would give them the same results that they are having - or better.

Btw, is it their strategy that is making Switch a success or is it the games and concept that are making it a success and overshadowing the shortcomings of their strategy?

DélioPT said: Miyamotoo said: Lol, point that everyone else are doing things in difrent way doesnt mean that Nintendos way is wrong way, I mean numbers (hardware and software sales) tells us without doubt that their strategy works for them, from your point you could also said that its wrong way Nintendo releasing hybrid console. From some reason you have hard time accepting that Nintendo is managing things different and that not everyone need to managing things in same way.  Also for instance Sony also talked few months ago how they dont want any more to announce games so much in advance and want to have smaller amount of time between announcing and releasing game. I never said that Nintendo needs to be like everyone else in every regard. Still, you didn't answer my question: if that strategy is so awesome, why doesn't everyone copy Nintendo? If we go by what you say, then it would give them the same results that they are having - or better. Btw, is it their strategy that is making Switch a success or is it the games and concept that are making it a success and overshadowing the shortcomings of their strategy?

You sound like that. I did answer you, for last time, if strategy works for someone doesn't mean that strategy will works for others too, point that everyone else are doing things in difrent way doesnt mean that Nintendos way is wrong way, I mean numbers (hardware and software sales) tells us without doubt that their strategy works for them, from your point you could also said that its wrong way Nintendo releasing hybrid console because other dont do that.

Also you ignored point that for instance Sony also talked few months ago how they dont want any more to announce games so much in advance and want to have smaller amount of time between announcing and releasing game, so Sony actualy is changing their strategies for time of announcing and releasing games.

They cannot all be good but the potential for great is there and that is enough to get at least a little excited. 

Miyamotoo said: DélioPT said: I never said that Nintendo needs to be like everyone else in every regard. Still, you didn't answer my question: if that strategy is so awesome, why doesn't everyone copy Nintendo? If we go by what you say, then it would give them the same results that they are having - or better. Btw, is it their strategy that is making Switch a success or is it the games and concept that are making it a success and overshadowing the shortcomings of their strategy? You sound like that. I did answer you, for last time, if strategy works for someone doesn't mean that strategy will works for others too, point that everyone else are doing things in difrent way doesnt mean that Nintendos way is wrong way, I mean numbers (hardware and software sales) tells us without doubt that their strategy works for them, from your point you could also said that its wrong way Nintendo releasing hybrid console because other dont do that. Also you ignored point that for instance Sony also talked few months ago how they dont want any more to announce games so much in advance and want to have smaller amount of time between announcing and releasing game, so Sony actualy is changing their strategies for time of announcing and releasing games.

So, a strategy that might only for Nintendo? That seems convenient.
You are also ignoring that studios aren't even trying to change; Sony, despite it's changes, isn't, as far as we know, going Nintendo's way but correcting it's excesses.
Their HW strategy and marketing comunication strategy are two different things.

You know why companies don't focus just on the short term (presentations)?
A quote from an article: "With a short-term focused strategy you might win all the battles but still lose the war because you did not fight the right battles."

This is why companies try to focus on more than just the short term; They present what's to come soon and in the future because they want your vision of future (purchases) associated with their products.
Nintendo isn't doing the second part.

What's working for them is not their short-term (presentation) strategy, it's the games they brought to the market last year and the innovative concept.

DélioPT said: Miyamotoo said: You sound like that. I did answer you, for last time, if strategy works for someone doesn't mean that strategy will works for others too, point that everyone else are doing things in difrent way doesnt mean that Nintendos way is wrong way, I mean numbers (hardware and software sales) tells us without doubt that their strategy works for them, from your point you could also said that its wrong way Nintendo releasing hybrid console because other dont do that. Also you ignored point that for instance Sony also talked few months ago how they dont want any more to announce games so much in advance and want to have smaller amount of time between announcing and releasing game, so Sony actualy is changing their strategies for time of announcing and releasing games. So, a strategy that might only for Nintendo? That seems convenient. You are also ignoring that studios aren't even trying to change; Sony, despite it's changes, isn't, as far as we know, going Nintendo's way but correcting it's excesses. Their HW strategy and marketing comunication strategy are two different things. You know why companies don't focus just on the short term (presentations)? A quote from an article: "With a short-term focused strategy you might win all the battles but still lose the war because you did not fight the right battles." This is why companies try to focus on more than just the short term; They present what's to come soon and in the future because they want your vision of future (purchases) associated with their products. Nintendo isn't doing the second part. What's working for them is not their short-term (presentation) strategy, it's the games they brought to the market last year and the innovative concept.

No, maybe would work for someone else but thats not point, point is that works for Nintendo. Sony is not going Nintendo way, but they also want to have less time between announcing and releasing games.

That really depends from market and business, it's not same for every product and bussines. If Nintendo keep winning in short term constantly (with HW and SW sales), I dont see how can Switch lose war, and Switch is obviously on good path, with HW and SW sales and thats whats more important.

What other companies is doing is irrelevant, again, Nintendo obviously has different approach and strategy that works for them, if Nintendo wanted to do same thing like other compaines, they wouldn't released hybrid on first place.

Actually SW sales also proves that their strategy works, focus on games that will be out in near future that leads to good SW sales.

 

At end, all come that you personally don't like Nintendo strategy and how they operating, and you would love they are more like Sony and MS, that very subjective, but objectivly we can say that Nintendo is doing very well with their different approach and different strategy and that they currently don't have any reason to change anything.

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Miyamotoo said: DélioPT said: So, a strategy that might only for Nintendo? That seems convenient. You are also ignoring that studios aren't even trying to change; Sony, despite it's changes, isn't, as far as we know, going Nintendo's way but correcting it's excesses. Their HW strategy and marketing comunication strategy are two different things. You know why companies don't focus just on the short term (presentations)? A quote from an article: "With a short-term focused strategy you might win all the battles but still lose the war because you did not fight the right battles." This is why companies try to focus on more than just the short term; They present what's to come soon and in the future because they want your vision of future (purchases) associated with their products. Nintendo isn't doing the second part. What's working for them is not their short-term (presentation) strategy, it's the games they brought to the market last year and the innovative concept. No, maybe would work for someone else but thats not point, point is that works for Nintendo. Sony is not going Nintendo way, but they also want to have less time between announcing and releasing games. That really depends from market and business, it's not same for every product and bussines. If Nintendo keep winning in short term constantly (with HW and SW sales), I dont see how can Switch lose war, and Switch is obviously on good path, with HW and SW sales and thats whats more important. What other companies is doing is irrelevant, again, Nintendo obviously has different approach and strategy that works for them, if Nintendo wanted to do same thing like other compaines, they wouldn't released hybrid on first place. Actually SW sales also proves that their strategy works, focus on games that will be out in near future that leads to good SW sales.   At end, all come that you personally don't like Nintendo strategy and how they operating, and you would love they are more like Sony and MS, that very subjective, but objectivly we can say that Nintendo is doing very well with their different approach and different strategy and that they currently don't have any reason to change anything.

When companies work under the pressure of competition, they need to show people that they have something more than just for the short term. It's as simple as that.

Again, we are talking about a communication strategy. Not HW strategy.

"If Nintendo keep winning in short term constantly (with HW and SW sales)"
You are completely ignoring how they came into this situation.
It's not their communication strategy that's creating the buying impulse, it's the system sellers and the Switch portability, that is creating the impact.

"Actually SW sales also proves that their strategy works, focus on games that will be out in near future that leads to good SW sales."
It's just a coincidence that of the around 300 games, the vast majority are cheap Indie games?
It's easy to create volume when you offer lower price points.

You are right, i think that Nintendo's strategy is lacking and honestly it's hurting them and will so in the future, if they continue this. 
Maybe if Nintendo started giving people something more to look forward in the future, maybe they could start stealing customers from Sony and MS and increase their personnal userbase.

Nintendo knows they can afford that type of strategy for now. They have got the games and the system. When those things start losing steam, do you really believe that they won't change?
Why do you think they didn't try this strategy with Wii U? Create a buying impulse with soon to be released games… 
It wouldn't work because wanted more than that. Nintendo knew that

DélioPT said: Miyamotoo said: No, maybe would work for someone else but thats not point, point is that works for Nintendo. Sony is not going Nintendo way, but they also want to have less time between announcing and releasing games. That really depends from market and business, it's not same for every product and bussines. If Nintendo keep winning in short term constantly (with HW and SW sales), I dont see how can Switch lose war, and Switch is obviously on good path, with HW and SW sales and thats whats more important. What other companies is doing is irrelevant, again, Nintendo obviously has different approach and strategy that works for them, if Nintendo wanted to do same thing like other compaines, they wouldn't released hybrid on first place. Actually SW sales also proves that their strategy works, focus on games that will be out in near future that leads to good SW sales.   At end, all come that you personally don't like Nintendo strategy and how they operating, and you would love they are more like Sony and MS, that very subjective, but objectivly we can say that Nintendo is doing very well with their different approach and different strategy and that they currently don't have any reason to change anything. When companies work under the pressure of competition, they need to show people that they have something more than just for the short term. It's as simple as that. Again, we are talking about a communication strategy. Not HW strategy. "If Nintendo keep winning in short term constantly (with HW and SW sales)" You are completely ignoring how they came into this situation. It's not their communication strategy that's creating the buying impulse, it's the system sellers and the Switch portability, that is creating the impact. "Actually SW sales also proves that their strategy works, focus on games that will be out in near future that leads to good SW sales." It's just a coincidence that of the around 300 games, the vast majority are cheap Indie games? It's easy to create volume when you offer lower price points. You are right, i think that Nintendo's strategy is lacking and honestly it's hurting them and will so in the future, if they continue this.  Maybe if Nintendo started giving people something more to look forward in the future, maybe they could start stealing customers from Sony and MS and increase their personnal userbase. Nintendo knows they can afford that type of strategy for now. They have got the games and the system. When those things start losing steam, do you really believe that they won't change? Why do you think they didn't try this strategy with Wii U? Create a buying impulse with soon to be released games…  It wouldn't work because wanted more than that. Nintendo knew that

You are wrong, fact is that they dont need, we seeing with Nintendo and Switch that they dont need to show long term games.

You do realise that communication strategy is actualy part of marketing!? And we know that marketing for Switch is quite good and on spot.

No I dont, Switch is popular because great concept, system seller games and great marketing (and communication strategy is part of marketing).

Actualy Switch has much more than only 300 games (wiki says 1165 games), also I didnt meant at all on Indies games, Zelda BotW is best selling 3D Zelda, Mario Odyssey is becoming best selling 3D Mario, Splatoon 2 is best selling Splatoon, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 become best selling Xeno game, Kirby had best debut and its on path to be best selling Kirby game, we can expect similar for Mario Tennis Aces, Smash Bros Ultimate...Switch games are selling very good.

 

Point that you personally don't like Nintendo strategy and you personally want they show some long term games is totally irrelevant, fact is that Nintendo is doing very well with Switch HW and SW sales and they reely dont need change nothing.

If you remember they tried with Wii U at one point quite opposite strategy, in famous January 2013. Direct they showed and announced almost everything they had in that moment in devolpment for Wii U (even games that want come 3-5 years on market), and guess what, nothing changed, Wii U had one worst sales ever in next few months, and they actualy later with Wii U start changing that strategie with shorter term announcements and with Switch they doing that strategie even before Switch launch. Reality is that long term announcements dont effect on HW and SW sales in any meaningful way, current releases and short term announcements (game that I will able to play in few months, not in few years) actually do.