Nautilus said:
But numbers dont support that, at least not entirely.Yes, Nintendo games do the biggest weightlifting for the system, but- |
Lonely_Dolphin said:
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The rest of the post would hold relevance if you thought it would be relevant to your argument, is what you mean.I mean, you say the rest of my post is irrelevant, but then you say this: "...which I didn't, but even that still wouldn't change anything.".In another words, you dont care about them, the third party games that was revealed, because in your opinion they are irrelevant to you and by extention, to the userbase of the Switch, no matter how good they are or more importantly, how well they sell.Because that surely shows zero interest for these games on the Switch and there would be no excitment over them.Gotcha.
Well, glad that we got that cleared out.With this we can easily conclude that yes, without the leaks the presentation would have been better.
My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.
https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1
Nautilus said:
The rest of the post would hold relevance if you thought it would be relevant to your argument, is what you mean.I mean, you say the rest of my post is irrelevant, but then you say this: "...which I didn't, but even that still wouldn't change anything.".In another words, you dont care about them, the third party games that was revealed, because in your opinion they are irrelevant to you and by extention, to the userbase of the Switch, no matter how good they are or more importantly, how well they sell.Because that surely shows zero interest for these games on the Switch and there would be no excitment over them.Gotcha. Well, glad that we got that cleared out.With this we can easily conclude that yes, without the leaks the presentation would have been better. |
Lonely_Dolphin said:
"No one ever said anything about Fortnite not being a good get, speaking of putting words in people's mouths. However it is undeniable that Nintendo systems are bought primarily for Nintendo games, so naturally the 3rd party stuff doesn't hold as much weight as 1st party to most people. That's not me saying everyone is me lol, that's just going by sales data and from actually listening to those who were disappointed in the direct." Also I never disagreed with the direct being better without leaks, only that it would make a difference to how it's perceived, but again this a moot point. |
I didnt extrapolate anything, Im just pointing out that you are dismissing the third party games shown there as mostly inconsequential, shown by your lack of interest in them with frases as "Even if the games hadnt leaked, it would make the direct 0.2% better" or the non acknoledgement of its success found with the consoles through its sales numbers and such.So it seems you are misunderstanding me once again, so let me rephrase:
Nintendo games usually do the heavily lifting of the consoles sales, and its not much different with the Switch.However, in a matter that is usually uncharacteristic to Nintendo hardware, 3rd party games are generally selling extremelly well on the Switch, and all of them are not shovelware.So it stands to reason that a considerable number of Switch owners and thus, people watching the Nintendo presentation, wouldd have been more thrilled with the presentation itself if such games as DB Fighters Z, Fortnite and Overcooked 2 werent leaked ahead of the presentation.For an example of such an "adoption" of one of these games is Fortnite, which was downloaded over 2 million times in a single day.Yes, its a free to play game, but people wont download anything unless they are interested.
In conclusion, what I mean to say is that all your talk about third parties being mostly irrelevant compared to Nintendo games being shown and that the show would be 0.2% better if those same games hadnt been leaked is complete BS, especially because you are looking at this in a personal way, and Im using data to back up my claims.
My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.
https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1
zorg1000 said:
Kind of a silly notion. Here are the things they announced or shown first footage of at the Directs so far this year. The World Ends With You Hyrule Warriors DX Mario Tennis Aces Tropical Freeze Captain Toad Dark Souls Okami HD Undertale No More Heroes Little Nightmares Crash Bandicoot South Park Daemon x Machina Fortnite Paladins Dragon Ball Fighter Z Overcooked 2 Mario Party Pokemon Lets Go Fire Emblem Smash Bros
They have had a bunch to show this year and have more in upcoming Directs. |
MS talked about 50 games at their press conference, whereas Nintendo talked about 21 games, YTD.
Even if we count the games that are going to be announced - which clearly won't be 29 - the difference is more than visible. Also, it's a platform in it's second year versus a platform in it's fifth year.
This is what i mean that Nintendo doesn't have enough to show for.
Even if Nintendo packed everything into a single presentation, they would pale in comparison;
Nautilus said:
I didnt extrapolate anything, Im just pointing out that you are dismissing the third party games shown there as mostly inconsequential, shown by your lack of interest in them with frases as "Even if the games hadnt leaked, it would make the direct 0.2% better" or the non acknoledgement of its success found with the consoles through its sales numbers and such.So it seems you are misunderstanding me once again, so let me rephrase: Nintendo games usually do the heavily lifting of the consoles sales, and its not much different with the Switch.However, in a matter that is usually uncharacteristic to Nintendo hardware, 3rd party games are generally selling extremelly well on the Switch, and all of them are not shovelware.So it stands to reason that a considerable number of Switch owners and thus, people watching the Nintendo presentation, wouldd have been more thrilled with the presentation itself if such games as DB Fighters Z, Fortnite and Overcooked 2 werent leaked ahead of the presentation.For an example of such an "adoption" of one of these games is Fortnite, which was downloaded over 2 million times in a single day.Yes, its a free to play game, but people wont download anything unless they are interested. In conclusion, what I mean to say is that all your talk about third parties being mostly irrelevant compared to Nintendo games being shown and that the show would be 0.2% better if those same games hadnt been leaked is complete BS, especially because you are looking at this in a personal way, and Im using data to back up my claims. |
DélioPT said:
MS talked about 50 games at their press conference, whereas Nintendo talked about 21 games, YTD. This is what i mean that Nintendo doesn't have enough to show for. |
and the PS conference only showed 8 games...so does that means it a dying console?
Bet with Intrinsic:
The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.
| Miyamotoo said:
Reason why they decided hole E3 2016. only to Zelda BotW is because they didn't want to talk about Switch games yet that they were saving for January presentation, so E3 2016. was exaption and really can't be compared with any other E3.
But it's very obvious that Nintendo has staffs to show through the year: -January: Kirby, Mario Aces, Dark Souls, DKTF, The World Ends with You: Final Remix, Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition, Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana, Celeste, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle DLC, SNK HEROINES Tag Team Frenzy, Labo... -March: Smash Bros, Splatoon 2 Expansion, Okami HD, Sushi Striker, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes, Undertale, Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, Little Nightmares, South Park... -May: Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu, Pokemon Let's Go Eevee, Pokemon Quest. -June: Fortnite, Paladins, Daemon X Machina, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 DLC, Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Overcooked 2, Killer Queen Black, Dragon Ball FighterZ, Starlink, Fifa 19.. Offcourse they could show more staffs at E3 if they wanted, but they didnt want that, and we can expect at least 2-3 more Directs in rest of year where we will have more 2018. announcements. |
But that doesn't take away from what i said: Nintendo clearly thought it could use a major game at E3 and get away with it.
It worked. So why not do again? Of, course they haven't been as focused (on a single game) as before, for the obvious reason.
Thing is, this time, people obviously expected more (it's a new console in it's second year already).
Of course Nintendo could show more, as could MS, Sony and other companies.
I don't know how many Indies MS is getting, but i bet it's not 2-3. They could have also showed more, too.
The difference here is that it's clear Nintendo does not have enough to do what the other do - see MS, for exemple.
So, their strategy can't be reveal all that at E3 and then scatter those many throughout the year during NDs. And because of that, they create less impact.
Are you expecting regular NDs or specific NDs?
If it's specfic, like last year, then i agree. One for Smash, one for Pokémon and another specific ND; If it's your regular ND, i don't see that happening. If you look at last year - as an exemple - they only had 1 regular ND after E3. The rest was directed towards specific games coming out in 2017.
DélioPT said:
But that doesn't take away from what i said: Nintendo clearly thought it could use a major game at E3 and get away with it. Of course Nintendo could show more, as could MS, Sony and other companies. The difference here is that it's clear Nintendo does not have enough to do what the other do - see MS, for exemple.
Are you expecting regular NDs or specific NDs? |
It don't really matters at end, their strategy works, Switch keeped momentum and it will keep selling great, Switch games are also selling great, and Switch will definitely sell much better than XB1 in any case.
I definitely expecting at least one big regular direct probably in September like was last year, with around 2 specific ones also, but at E3 they said they have more announcements in coming weeks and months maybe we could have two regular Directs.
DélioPT said:
MS talked about 50 games at their press conference, whereas Nintendo talked about 21 games, YTD. This is what i mean that Nintendo doesn't have enough to show for. |
Yes and how many games were shown when adding in the two other directs this year and how many will be shown in the inevitable directs later this year?
E3 is like the only big reveal event for MS each year while Nintendo splits their reveals into a half dozen or so smaller events.
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