I'm ok for allowing it at this point in time since I feel payback is necessary sometimes to let your opponent know if they want a war they'll get one, a brutal bloody one, but if they smarten up and want peace, then we can talk. If PS just rolled over and let XB get away with what they wanted initially this gen, and throughout, it would be everybody complaining about XB right now and not PS.

"You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain". Last gen this was XB and this gen it's slowly becoming PS. Until PS feels that they and XB can legitimately compete and can also come to a certain agreement where both have equal opportunity, I don't see the need for PS to back down. MS is a massive company and has many ways they can more easily branch out XB in the future to possibly outgrow PS if they really get serious, so it's not as simple as coming to terms on just console gaming as it exists now.

We can all hope though, that both companies can find a way to co exist more peacefully and allow for cross platform play. This would no doubt be a great win for gamers and could be a big ticket item next gen. If PS is smart, even if they wouldn't mind allowing cross play now, they will wait to announce it sometime around the launch of PS5 and use it for good PR, much like 'This is For The Players'. I can only see that however, if PS5 launches well before XB Scarlet info is officially revealed. Otherwise they will wait to see what XB presents for next gen before they open the gates, just in case they need it to remain closed to stay competitive in the face of whatever XB brings to the table.

I would say best case scenario for Fortnite at the moment, is maybe a one time minuscule payment to get the account off PS4 for good, or PS allowing a secondary account to cross platform with primary content but all purchases must remain on the primary PS4 account. I do also think that Nin might not like that though. Hard to say. If there are a tonne of PS4 and Switch dual platform owners, that's a bunch of micro transaction money that Nin may have to do without if PS4 allows the content to cross over.

I am laying the blame EXACTLY where it belongs.

You just as much an ANY ONE ELSE here can't answer a simple question, or rather you do answer it when you say Sony is market top dog so it's their way or the highway for Epic. In other words you have NO CHOICE but to admit that Sony did not block anything, Sony ASKED Epic to block the game and here is the part you are ignoring and rather bury your head in the ground than face up the fact: Epic AGREED to it, they must have or the game would not be blocked.

Doesn't matter that Sony is top dog, the fact remains that Epic AGREED. If you are going to blame Sony because they are top dog then you must blame every other company that is top dog in any business because they will do exactly the same. When you are underdog you just shut up and follow the trend, when you are top dog you MAKE the trend, end of story. The others do EXACTLY the same when they are top dogs which is look to their own interest.

You guys are whining about what capitalism is. What's the matter, did you forget the video games industry is just an industry and the brands are there to make money. You TOTALLY can blame this on Sony but by the exact same logic you must blame them too for NOT LETTING The Last of US or Spiderman or any other exclusive be published on other platforms, then you must blame Nintendo for not letting Zelda be on Xbox and Playstation too cause they are abusing their position to release that game on Nintendo only.

So just as exclusives are in the interest of a company and not the consumers, wanting to NOT do cross-platform play is in their interest BECAUSE they are top dog obviously. Also HOW is this a surprise to ANYONE? Sony announced months ago that they were not going to do cross-play, what did you guys think? That they were going to magically forget their own words and forget about keeping their environment shut?

Sony is guilty of this decision YES, ABSOLUTELY but Epic is ALSO guilty. They could have refused, Sony would have A HUGE LOT to lose if the world's MOST successful game was pulled off the Playstation, imagine millions upon millions of PS4 Fortnite players seeing their account shut with some message from Sony going: Sorry people we just don't want to have the most successful game in the world on our platform anymore". The backlash Sony is taking right now is NOTHING compared to the backlash of pulling Fortnite off Playstation. Epic could have used that kind of pressure on Sony, instead they chose to simply AGREE with Sony.

So my final words are: I don't have a problem with people blaming Sony as Sony is obviously the ones who wanted this, I have a problem when people do not think past their nose and think Sony is this kind of Illuminati that is the center of all guilt and that the others like Epic have nothing to do with this. I am not happy about this anymore than I'm happy about exclusives. I'll never play Ori and the Blind forest because I don't have an Xbox and they BLOCK the game on the Playstation but that's how it is, end of story.

You have to be smarter than those companies, you heard months ago they don't want cross-play, either make an account on the PS and play Fortnite there only or if you don't like it make an account on another platform. I don't like AAA full prices, if I'm going to pay for a game 60 or 70 euros and a few months later the game is sold for 20 euros should I whine?  No, If I want to pay 70 euros it means I agree to the price if not then I wait till they sell it for 20 euros which is what I do cause I don't buy into the full price bullshit.

"Epic AGREED to it, they must have or the game would not be blocked"

And Sony would deny Fortnite's release on PS4 had EG disagreed costing EG access to 80 million users.

1) Perhaps my previous post was too long and you did not see that I answered this. Sony would have the biggest backlash in history if they suddenly blocked Fortnite from the Playstation so Sony has a lot to lose if they can't agree with Epic Games on this. Because both companies have a lot to lose if not agreeing both AGREED to this current situation, therefore the blame belongs to both. In the end it's just business.

Right now Sony is in a much smaller backlash compared to a backlash of Sony totally removing Fortnite from the PS. It will be interesting to see what happens with this smaller but still important backlash. Will they give in and allow cross-platform or will they stand their ground?

2) People should not worry so much, just sit back, grab the pop-corn bag and enjoy the show, the Sony versus the other game companies show.

3) EDIT: And where is the backlash against Microsoft for TOTALLY blocking PUBG on the Playstation, they obviously paid Bluehole to keep PUBG from releasing on Playstation. At least Sony did not completely block Fortnite from releasing on other platforms and from a purely business point of view, they should have. It's what is known as an exclusive.

I don't understand. Not being able to access save files/progression across multiple platforms has been commonplace for literally decades. Why is it that Fortnite should somehow be exempt from this?

Like, I'm literally dumbfounded that this all of a sudden is a HUGE problem.

Look, I'm a Nintendo fan but it doesn't stop me from criticising them when they do something that disappoints me. For instance, I though they had a pretty underwhelming E3. This blind loyalty to a corporation is purely one-way - they don't deserve your mental gymnastics in order to somehow make their behaviour on this issue acceptable.

Perhaps my previous post was too long and you did not see that I answered this. Sony would have the biggest backlash in history if they suddenly blocked Fortnite from the Playstation so Sony has a lot to lose if they can't agree with Epic Games on this. Because both companies have a lot to lose if not agreeing both AGREED to this current situation, therefore the blame belongs to both. In the end it's just business.

Right now Sony is in a much smaller backlash compared to a backlash of Sony totally removing Fortnite from the PS. It will be interesting to see what happens with this smaller but still important backlash. Will they give in and allow cross-platform or will they stand their ground?

People should not worry so much, just sit back, grab the pop-corn bag and enjoy the show, the Sony versus the other game companies show.

EDIT: And where is the backlash against Microsoft for TOTALLY blocking PUBG on the Playstation, they obviously paid Bluehole to keep PUBG from releasing on Playstation. At least Sony did not completely block Fortnite from releasing on other platforms and from a purely business point of view, they should have. It's what is known as an exclusive.

Yes, except I am NOT making their move an acceptable one, I clearly said MANY times I get it that people blame Sony. I just don't get it that people does it in a blind way without taking into account the complexity of the issue and facts. And a fact is that Sony cannot block a game that it does not own. At the most it can enter a DEAL with the game owner which is EG and EG agreed to that deal and Sony has NO interest whatsoever in removing the MOST successful game on the planet from the Playstation so threatening EG to remove the game altogether would have been suicide for Sony. Corporations don't do suicide even if it is to prove a point or to show strength, they do DEALS and a DEAL must have been done with EG and EG accepted it.

I must say it's super annoying to write 10 times something and still read comments that pretend I did not say that thing I said 10 times across 10 posts...

And I do appreciate that you are capable of criticizing your favorite brand, hopefully it makes you a bit more objective than the average Joe.

"payback is necessary sometimes to let your opponent know if they want a war they'll get one"

Even if it means the consumer ends up getting shit on.

"maybe a one time minuscule payment to get the account off PS4 for good"

I'm not holding my breath on that one-time payment, or rather, ransom paid to Sony because that's what this is for some Fortnite players: a hijacking of their EG account. I think Sony would prefer to just hold on to those accounts and make money off of the micro-transactions.

Sony stock drops due to Fortnite controversy:


https://gamerant.com/fortnite-switch-account-sony-share/
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/06/sonys_share_value_takes_a_hit_following_fortnite_account_woes_on_nintendo_switch
Fox Business: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSNJJNAuNA0

As for the payback, I stand by it. If PS had just rolled over and died after PS3, we would all be stuck with the XB1 as it was when it launched, and you can bet it's policies would have gotten even worse as the gen went on.

XB slapped PS around with the 360. PS is slapping XB around with the PS4. Hopefully this is enough for both beaten and bruised soldiers to call a truce for PS5 and XB Scarlet.

I think more likely PS would rather go for the other option of primary and secondary accounts if Epic can swing it. If not, I don't see PS completely turning a blind eye unless they have a hardware option on deck to solve the mobile issue. I'm sure there are plenty of other possibilities I haven't thought of though.