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Azuren said:
Hynad said:

Nah. Let the fans of their other franchise (Witcher) complain and whine over something they haven't even experienced yet.

What is dumb is to ask the developer to let gamers build the game themselves instead of following their vision and show artistic integrity.

But sure, let's have all games be made like FF XV.

No, it's more dumb to build a fanbase for several years and then decide to abandon them for a different kind of fanbase.

 

And FFXV isn't involved in this at all, so why are you bringing it up?

FF XV isn't involved in this? It is, when used as an example to show you how what you're asking is unreasonably self-entitled.

You are asking the developer to build the game based on fans feedback, instead of following their own vision. FF XV was built and altered by user feedback. The developer didn't know how to build the game properly and it became a mess that follows no vision and has next to zero artistic integrity.

Fans of CDPR? You mean fans of The Witcher series. That series is a third person action RPG. Their new game isn't The Witcher. Why should they create the game to be the same as their one different franchise?

Should S-E never have created anything other than turn-based RPGs? No TRPGs or no ARPGs? Because most of their fans were used to their turn-based style of gameplay? So no Secret of Mana, no Tobal no. 1, no Final Fantasy Tactics, no Kingdom Hearts, etc.?

That just doesn't make any sense. Like you want to put them in a box and no matter what they do, they need to follow the same template they've used for that one other franchise they've made so far and nothing else.

Sorry, but no. Just no.

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Hynad said:
Azuren said:

No, it's more dumb to build a fanbase for several years and then decide to abandon them for a different kind of fanbase.

 

And FFXV isn't involved in this at all, so why are you bringing it up?

FF XV isn't involved in this?

You are asking the developer to build the game based on fan's feedback, instead of following their own vision. FF XV was built and altered by user feedback. The developer didn't know how to build the game properly and it became a mess that follows no vision and has zero artistic integrity.

Fans of CDPR? You mean fans of The Witcher series. That series is a third person action RPG. Their new game isn't The Witcher. Why should they create the game to be the same as their different franchise?

Should S-E never have created anything other than turn-based RPGs? No TRPGs or no ARPGs? Because most of their fans were used to their turn-based style of gameplay?

That just doesn't make any sense. Like you want to put them in a box and no matter what they do, they need to follow the same template they've used for that one other franchise they've made so far and nothing else.

Sorry, but no. Just no.

Yeah, no, FFXV has nothing to do with this. FFXV was an action game in a series that had never truly been action. Witcher to Cyberpunk is a perspective shift. 

 

Fans of the Witcher games are just as much fans of Witcher as they are CDPR. There are indeed Witcher fans who've read all the books and whatnot, but there are many more people who just appreciate the games  that CDPR made. People wouldn't be excited at all if it wasn't for the Witcher. As such, people expected a certain genre of action game, and didn't get it. That's why some fans are calling for an optional third person mode, and that's why other fans are just dipping out.



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Azuren said:
Hynad said:

FF XV isn't involved in this?

You are asking the developer to build the game based on fan's feedback, instead of following their own vision. FF XV was built and altered by user feedback. The developer didn't know how to build the game properly and it became a mess that follows no vision and has zero artistic integrity.

Fans of CDPR? You mean fans of The Witcher series. That series is a third person action RPG. Their new game isn't The Witcher. Why should they create the game to be the same as their different franchise?

Should S-E never have created anything other than turn-based RPGs? No TRPGs or no ARPGs? Because most of their fans were used to their turn-based style of gameplay?

That just doesn't make any sense. Like you want to put them in a box and no matter what they do, they need to follow the same template they've used for that one other franchise they've made so far and nothing else.

Sorry, but no. Just no.

Yeah, no, FFXV has nothing to do with this. FFXV was an action game in a series that had never truly been action. Witcher to Cyberpunk is a perspective shift. 

 

Fans of the Witcher games are just as much fans of Witcher as they are CDPR. There are indeed Witcher fans who've read all the books and whatnot, but there are many more people who just appreciate the games  that CDPR made. People wouldn't be excited at all if it wasn't for the Witcher. As such, people expected a certain genre of action game, and didn't get it. That's why some fans are calling for an optional third person mode, and that's why other fans are just dipping out.

They're fans of The Witcher series. If they were fans of CDPR, they'd trust them enough to want to experience Cyberpunk 2077 first before whining about it.

But hey, it's the internet. That's what people do. Outcry/self-entitlement culture and all that.



Azuren said:
Hynad said:

FF XV isn't involved in this?

You are asking the developer to build the game based on fan's feedback, instead of following their own vision. FF XV was built and altered by user feedback. The developer didn't know how to build the game properly and it became a mess that follows no vision and has zero artistic integrity.

Fans of CDPR? You mean fans of The Witcher series. That series is a third person action RPG. Their new game isn't The Witcher. Why should they create the game to be the same as their different franchise?

Should S-E never have created anything other than turn-based RPGs? No TRPGs or no ARPGs? Because most of their fans were used to their turn-based style of gameplay?

That just doesn't make any sense. Like you want to put them in a box and no matter what they do, they need to follow the same template they've used for that one other franchise they've made so far and nothing else.

Sorry, but no. Just no.

Yeah, no, FFXV has nothing to do with this. FFXV was an action game in a series that had never truly been action. Witcher to Cyberpunk is a perspective shift. 

 

Fans of the Witcher games are just as much fans of Witcher as they are CDPR. There are indeed Witcher fans who've read all the books and whatnot, but there are many more people who just appreciate the games  that CDPR made. People wouldn't be excited at all if it wasn't for the Witcher. As such, people expected a certain genre of action game, and didn't get it. That's why some fans are calling for an optional third person mode, and that's why other fans are just dipping out.

You are part of a vocal minority. The big majority is ok in letting CDPR follow their own vision for the game and they are happy with all the details the media brought after watching the demo. 



Hynad said:
Azuren said:

Yeah, no, FFXV has nothing to do with this. FFXV was an action game in a series that had never truly been action. Witcher to Cyberpunk is a perspective shift. 

 

Fans of the Witcher games are just as much fans of Witcher as they are CDPR. There are indeed Witcher fans who've read all the books and whatnot, but there are many more people who just appreciate the games  that CDPR made. People wouldn't be excited at all if it wasn't for the Witcher. As such, people expected a certain genre of action game, and didn't get it. That's why some fans are calling for an optional third person mode, and that's why other fans are just dipping out.

They're fans of The Witcher series. If they were fans of CDPR, they'd trust them enough to want to experience Cyberpunk 2077 first before whining about it.

But hey, it's the internet. That's what people do. Outcry/self-entitlement culture and all that.

They trusted CDPR to make a great third person game because that's what they've done up until now. That trust is broken, which is why many fans are either begging or leaving.



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Azuren said:
Hynad said:

They're fans of The Witcher series. If they were fans of CDPR, they'd trust them enough to want to experience Cyberpunk 2077 first before whining about it.

But hey, it's the internet. That's what people do. Outcry/self-entitlement culture and all that.

They trusted CDPR to make a great third person game because that's what they've done up until now. That trust is broken, which is why many fans are either begging or leaving.

This backlash is non existent. It's not like the E3 trailer has 50%+ dislikes, and the demo impressions from the media were overwelmingly positive.



Azuren said:
Hynad said:

They're fans of The Witcher series. If they were fans of CDPR, they'd trust them enough to want to experience Cyberpunk 2077 first before whining about it.

But hey, it's the internet. That's what people do. Outcry/self-entitlement culture and all that.

They trusted CDPR to make a great third person game because that's what they've done up until now. That trust is broken, which is why many fans are either begging or leaving.

It's far from widespread.

So let them leave.



Azuren said:
Hynad said:

They're fans of The Witcher series. If they were fans of CDPR, they'd trust them enough to want to experience Cyberpunk 2077 first before whining about it.

But hey, it's the internet. That's what people do. Outcry/self-entitlement culture and all that.

They trusted CDPR to make a great third person game because that's what they've done up until now. That trust is broken, which is why many fans are either begging or leaving.

If they were fans of CDPR they would be open to giving the game a chance.

If you opted out because of a perspective change, then maybe you weren't a real fan of them in the first place.

Just wait for Witcher 4, ffs.



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Azuren said:
Immersiveunreality said:

There needs to be marketinterest and it does not always need to be the same group of people, first person games are popular so they maybe have lost buyers but gained others.

The folks that want an upgraded witcher will be pleased when CDPR makes another witcher but for now i am more than happy i will get a unique experience with cyberpunk 2077,i also do not want companys to listen to thousand different opinions and try to please them while getting lost on the way. I just want them to put heart and soul into the game they want to make.

Ah, taking a class in the Disney Star Wars style of fandom building? Discard the fandom that built you up for reasons?

 

Sorry, but that's dumb. Even if they had just included a third person option like Elder Scrolls, they could have retained a large portion of their audience. Instead they can just wait for another Witcher, right? The ones that stay, anyhow.

What a strange comparison, star wars stays the same franchise while cyberpunk is a different one than witcher.  

Publishers cannot always please the same audiences with different franchises, thats like saying that every Disney movie should please star wars fans.



Ya, I take some exception to anyone who claims they were a CDPR fan, and then writes off Cyberpunk, and CDPR, just because it's first person. If that's the case, I submit that you were never a CDPR fan. You are just a fan of a specific type of game, that CDPR happened to be providing for a while. If, during the time they were doing so - and doing it expertly - you never gained enough respect for them, that you trust them to be capable of delivering an equally amazing game, which isn't simply carbon copy of the formula their last series followed….well, again, you never became a CDPR fan. You just want more of that thing you always wanted before you ever knew CDPR was a thing, and now that they're choosing to do something different - though STILL a full blown RPG mind you - you care as little about their game as you did before you ever heard their name.

I swear, seeing people's reaction you'd think CDPR was pulling a Konami, making pachinko machines or something.

It's fine if all you care about is a very specific type of game, and you don't believe this can scratch your itch. Just don't tell me that this is CDPR betraying their fans, or some other complete nonsense like that. A studio that has made 3 amazing RPGs, is making what honestly sounds like MORE of an RPG than their previous games, based on what we've heard about player choices, classes, character customization/creator (which Witcher didn't even have), different backstories that affect how NPCs react to you throughout the game (ala DA: Origins), etc....

Please, for the love of god, miss me with some of this ludicrously entitled whining about a camera perspective in a brand new, original game, which you've never even seen gameplay of.