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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Smash Ultimate is not a port... and not a brand new game?

 

Would you say Smash Ultimate is...

A port 18 14.75%
 
A brand new game 74 60.66%
 
A compilation 23 18.85%
 
Something else 7 5.74%
 
Total:122
Lonely_Dolphin on 14 June 2018
Alara317 said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:
"IF you honestly believe that 'the game itself' isn't good enough to say it's not a whole new game, then you are beyond discussion. You are remaining willfully ignorant of the facts and twisting logic to suit your needs, and therefore can be henceforth ignored and disregarded.  This is not an attack, this is not an insult, but you are wrong, we've proven you wrong, and your willingness to remain wrong in the face of irrefutable fact is damning." Just showing how pointless post like these are, as is the argument as a whole.

Nope. We're done here. I'm not even going to read what you wrote, I'm just leaving a comment here to let you know that I saw your response and I am rejecting it based solely on your apparent lack of interest in the facts. 
Thanks for letting me know, as if I care. I only hope you stop wasting your time arguing this especially if you're gonna be so close minded.

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quickrick on 14 June 2018
mZuzek said:
quickrick said:

is this confirmed?

I'm going off of what can be clearly seen in-game and only that. The engine has been clearly overhauled, regardless of whether they started off with Smash 4's as a foundation or not (it looks like they did). Everything is much faster, the way knockback works is dramatically different, airdodges and defensive moves as a whole have been completely reworked, etc. it plays very differently from Smash 4.

Edit: oh yeah, and I just remembered it seems this game is running on Unreal Engine, so there's that. Smash 4 wasn't Unreal, so, case closed.

apparently its not unreal engine https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8qnrjt/smash_ultimate_is_not_on_unreal_engine/

Game is probably using same engine, main upgrade is the rim lighting on the characters. 



Alara317 on 14 June 2018
Lonely_Dolphin said:
Alara317 said:

Nope. We're done here. I'm not even going to read what you wrote, I'm just leaving a comment here to let you know that I saw your response and I am rejecting it based solely on your apparent lack of interest in the facts. 
Thanks for letting me know, as if I care. I only hope you stop wasting your time arguing this especially if you're gonna be so close minded.

Shocking! You seem to equate 'being right' with 'being closeminded'. So, you're telling me that facts are subjective? 



quickrick on 14 June 2018
mZuzek said:
quickrick said:

Game is probably using same engine, main upgrade is the rim lighting on the characters. 

An engine is more than graphics. If it having started based on Smash 4's engine makes it the same to you, then yes it's the same, but it's been reworked quite heavily.

its been upgraded, but heavily no. even smash tournament players just thought it was a upgraded version of smash 4. 



Shaqazooloo0 on 14 June 2018

So it's official... it's a new game. Why this thread went on for so long or why this was even in question to begin with... i'll never understand.



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Shaunodon on 14 June 2018

Just cause executives at Nintendo are doing their best to market this as a whole new game, doesn't mean I'm just gonna take their word and not question the validity.
At this point, there's not much more to say until we can actually play the game, and then make a proper comparison to Smash WiiU.

I just find it funny that many the same people who were die-hard about waiting several years, so that we could get a completely new and different Smash cause they were already done with Smash 4, seem to now be very lenient on what they consider new.



Shaunodon on 14 June 2018
mZuzek said:
Shaunodon said:
I just find it funny that many the same people who were die-hard about waiting several years, so that we could get a completely new and different Smash cause they were already done with Smash 4, seem to now be very lenient on what they consider new.

Oh wow, generalization, now that's something I haven't seen.

Dude, come on. Everyone has their own tastes and expectations and reactions to everything. People also change, and they can go back on things they've said previously because they change their mind on something - I know I was always against Ridley in Smash because I thought it just wouldn't work, yet now I'm super hyped for him.

As for your exact point, I can say I was one who always wanted a new Smash rather than a port, but I wanted the new one to be a natural evolution of Smash 4, and yes, this is exactly what I wanted and then some (in fact it is very much what 99% of Smash 4 players wanted).

At least everyone's getting what they wanted then.
I'm certainly impressed they managed to do so much in the timeframe they had, and then have it ready for release this year.



KLXVER on 14 June 2018

Does it matter if its new or not? I mean every Smash fan will buy it either way...



Nem on 14 June 2018
VGPolyglot said:
Nem said: 
  • A sequel > A new game in a franchise remade from the ground up. (think Dead or Alive 6)

So, by your definition it is a new game:

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/nintendo-smash-bros-ultimate-interview-brand-new-game-than-wii-u

You quoted me and you didn't read a word of my post.

Try reading all of it and you get your answer. It still holds 100%.

curl-6 said:
Nem said:

You're doing it again. You don't have a definition for sequel. If you are gonna go with whatever the publishers say then there is nothing to debate. A sequel is when the developer says it is. Wether it has one more model in the game or not. There is no classification that holds.

If you want to be accurate, then that definition must hold and it does. It's the only way to accurately classify games.

The logic that would define Smash Switch as a port does not hold up, at all. Such a definition would reframe the majority of all video game sequels ever made as ports, which is clearly absurd. By the standards of both the series and the video game industry as a whole, Smash Switch is a sequel.

It does not. What are you on about? Let's hear examples.



Alara317 on 14 June 2018
Nem said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, by your definition it is a new game:

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/nintendo-smash-bros-ultimate-interview-brand-new-game-than-wii-u

You quoted me and you didn't read a word of my post.

Try reading all of it and you get your answer. It still holds 100%.

curl-6 said:

The logic that would define Smash Switch as a port does not hold up, at all. Such a definition would reframe the majority of all video game sequels ever made as ports, which is clearly absurd. By the standards of both the series and the video game industry as a whole, Smash Switch is a sequel.

It does not. What are you on about? Let's hear examples.

People have given examples, people have given definitions, people have pulled quotes from the creators themselves, but you're choosing to not respond to any of them when you can instead pick apart the few who haven't conformed to your personal standards of proof. 

Respond to me. Respond to the others who have given you precisely what you asked and STILL proved you wrong. Respond to us and see how strong your arguments truly are.