Would you say Smash Ultimate is... | |||
| A port | 18 | 14.75% | |
| A brand new game | 74 | 60.66% | |
| A compilation | 23 | 18.85% | |
| Something else | 7 | 5.74% | |
| Total: | 122 | ||
| curl-6 said: Come on guys, I know this is a subject many of us are very passionate about, but can we please keep this polite and civil? We can disagree with each other without making personal attacks. |
It's not about disagreement or belief or opinion, it's about imperative right and wrong. Some people are wrong. Simple as that. What is or is not is not determined by a person's opinion.
MrWayne said:
Mate what are you talking about? You're just rambling about people who called SSB Ultimate a port. I have never said that it's a port, in fact I've said the exact opposite but I gues you're just not very keen about reading my comments bevor quoting them. |
I wasn't arguing against YOU, I was explaining why I was so absolute in my statements about how the game is not a port. The reason I'm not 'open for discussion' is because I don't respect people who are outright wrong and can't accept it.
Really only the first sentence was directly aimed at you. The rest was just me getting exasperated at the rest of the forum for giving a pedestal to those who have nothing of value to say.
Hiku said:
If you think what you said looks good to anyone else potentially reading it later, then by all means. I'm not the one you need to convince. Interesting interviews though. |
I just threw your approach back at you and you kept coming back with it save it if you don't want it fired back at you other wise things would cool regardless of views but lets start over.
Nothing will ever bring Melee players fully over (unless the game is exactly like Melee) because they're their own little sub culture that exists in a bubble this is why the rest of the Smash community memes them and why the FGC has a heated view on them. To Melee players the game is untouchable to the point it literally affects their view on everything else someone like Hungrybox was whining on a stage at a tournament about Nintendo supporting S4 more and not a game from almost 20 years ago, they're always getting into hot water because of their antics like when they booed Zero after he won a tournament because they wanted Melee to be played straight away. This is why views from that particular community are taken as seriously I can respect someone like M2k and Armada even with their views as they maintain a level of conduct but when you hear the stories of what some of them get up to you think wtf seriously, they're doing this and they have one of the hardest set ups to maintain for thei game to even be there.
I know Evo has began winding down on Melee and tbh most communities would be like the game had a good run thanks but no they took it as a swipe against themselves for some reason, in 2016 the was an incident during Evo which I won't bring up here due to the nature by one of the VG Boot Camp group that added further problems. Evo Japan straight up doesn't have Melee in it and I think Evo US will go the same route of just having one game per series.
curl-6 said:
Smash Switch looks as different from Smash 4 as Splatoon 2 does from Splatoon 1, lighting and shading in particular have received a substantial upgrade:
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that pic looks like a big upgrade in bowser but then you have stuff like this. where wiiu version looks better.
| quickrick said: that pic looks like a big upgrade in bowser but then you have stuff like this. where wiiu version looks better. |
That's literally only one character out of 70, who looks unfinished. In everything from shaders to detail to textures to effects, Smash Switch is an obvious upgrade over Smash 4, it is patently obvious that they are not using the same assets and do not look the same, no claim that they do can be taken seriously.
Last edited by curl-6 - on 13 June 2018
mZuzek said:
(Just dropping into this argument, not having read any of it because my god you guys discussed a lot) This is only partly true. Yes, there has been a rivalry between Smash and other fighting game communities ever since Smash started breaking out into the competitive scene, but I do feel this rivalry has been waning for a while now. It's only natural for it to exist because of how different Smash is from a traditional fighting game, but as anything like this, it's also only natural for people to accept it in time. Personally, I can speak from experience that our local Smash community has been greatly helped by a FGC TO who doesn't play Smash at all. He's the founder and organizer of the biggest fighting game tournament in Brazil (Treta Championship). The first few editions didn't have Smash in it as the local community didn't really exist - we really burst out as a scene with the release of Smash 4 (many of our players didn't play Smash at all before, myself included), and the moment he took notice, he was enticed by how close we were as a community and was instantly ready to give us a spot in Treta Championship. We were a side event in 2015, and with the joint 2nd most entrants overall, got the main event gig for every year since. He's also allowed us to use some pretty cool venues he gets for other FGC tournies, so we have really great monthlies all the time. Yeah, we don't really mix with the other FG communities too much, but I've never seen any toxicity between them either. Basically, with the help of a mostly SF-focused TO, we've gone from this to this. I mean, sure, our own Smash TO also gets a lot of credit, it's unbelievable what he does for us (he was the one who got us this partnership in the first place), but I'm just saying I felt no rivalry here, if anything we're just helping each other out. (edit: and yeah, I'm that crappy Fox on that first video. It's a sad sight to behold, but also a great sign of how much we evolved as a community - a player like my 2014 self would probably go 0-2 easily today, yet back then I was in a GF.) |
True it has mainly waned due to the non melee community side of Smash though, notice that in most tournaments now days the either isn't a Melee allocation of not much push for it Melee tends to be at its own events, the non melee crowd are more open to the changes of the competitive scene and the FGC in recent years has become more and more into eSports. It's also important to point out that in Brazil and Europe the Smash scenes are very small like 80% of the Smash competitive scene is in NA and that's were a lot of the drama takes place and most of it is not from the non Melee community, S4 may have the odd nutcase like Kiraflax who has always been a raging volcano but you don't hear of much trouble in that community.
curl-6 said:
That's literally only one character out of 70, who looks unfinished. In everything from shaders to detail to textures to effects, Smash Switch is an obvious upgrade over Smash 4, it is patently obvious that they are not using the same assets and do not look the same, no claim that they do can be taken seriously. |
its like a street fighter 2 to super street fighter 2 upgrade at best, it looks slightly better. we'll wait for Digital Foundry on this one.
Let’s keep in mind that Bill Trinen mentioned before the direct happened that Nintendo isn’t pulling the entire curtain on Smash Bros.
They will show more in the coming months until December hits.
quickrick said:
its like a street fighter 2 to super street fighter 2 upgrade at best, it looks slightly better. we'll wait for Digital Foundry on this one. |
It's Splatoon 2 all over again; people swore up and down that that game looked the same as Splatoon 1, they were wrong then and they're wrong now.
| mZuzek said: By the way, here's a video everyone on this thread should watch: |
Love it.
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