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Aeolus451 said:
Yes. No matter how good the E3 conference is for ms or how many multiplatform games are, it won't push sales in a significant way ww for them.

I agree that at this point XBOne sales trend has very little probability to change, but I wouldn't say MS is screwed, as I wrote a few posts earlier, XBOne will most probably end this gen at the third place, but with sales better than every 2nd and 3rd ranking consoles across the whole history of home console gaming except 7th gen, and even better than some generation winners. Yes, disappointing compared to last gen and for Ballmer's attitude, but more than acceptable in absolute and for Nadella's balance and pragmatism.



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Aeolus451 said:
Yes. No matter how good the E3 conference is for ms or how many multiplatform games are, it won't push sales in a significant way ww for them.

Are you going to say that in every thread? 



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chakkra said:
LivingMetal said:

First party, second party and exclusives have ALWAYS defined the image of  console.  Because no matter how powerful of a console you have, you cannot have those fore mentioned games on that console.  And this whole "I just like third party games" to justify an Xbox One (not to say that there aren't other reasons that make the One worth the purchase) is a very sorry excuse.  Easily, Sony's console (for example) offers exclusive titles that are also of the same genres as those third parties games.  So you get more game, more choices.

You say that, but when I look at the top 10 games on the PS4 I only see one exclusive there (ONE!).  And the second best selling exclusive falls in the 14th spot with 6.5m units sold.  Which means that only 8% of the PS4 owners went out of their way to buy the SECOND BEST selling exclusive on the platform.  So sorry, but it looks to me that the majority of PS4 buyers are actually playing  CoD, Fifa and GTA right now. 

Wrong.  I'm not the majority of PS4 buyers.  I don't "go with the flow."  I'm not "sheep."  I'm not the "masses."  And the reality here is that with any popular produce you will have a greater mass penetration.  And more specifically with gaming consoles, this benefits games that are not in the top ten because with a bigger and wider audience it help guarantee the continual success of those titles.  You don't have to have a title in the top 10 to be viable option.  It's been proven with the continual software support on the PS4 since the console's release.  And here's another slice of reality for ya.  Not every PS4 owner who plays FIFA plays COD.  Or not every PS4 owner who plays GTA plays FIFA.  Or not every PS4 owner who plays COD plays GTA.  ETC.  But we all do play multiple genres.  But my principle still stands.  If you like genre "A," chances are is that you'll find more games of genre "A" on a console that offers more options.  HOW HARD IS IT TO PROCESS SOMETHING SO MENTALLY BASIC???  So sorry, but it looks to me that your "analysis" is faulty propagation.  In short, BULLSHIT.

EDIT: Since you want to point out this "paltry" 8% of PS4 owners, that 6.5 million actually supports my argument.  Because whether a title sells 6.5 million or 650,000 as long as they keep making games for you to play, that just gives you more options.  Do I really have to waste precious bandwidth to explain this?

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Jranation said:
Aeolus451 said:
Yes. No matter how good the E3 conference is for ms or how many multiplatform games are, it won't push sales in a significant way ww for them.

Are you going to say that in every thread? 

Are you blind or just misinterpreting my posts in the same way?



Aeolus451 said:
Jranation said:

Are you going to say that in every thread? 

Are you blind or just misinterpreting my posts in the same way?

Both?.......... 



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Aeolus451 said:
Yes. No matter how good the E3 conference is for ms or how many multiplatform games are, it won't push sales in a significant way ww for them.

Your actually thinking that Microsoft is trying to take over PS4 sales in Japan where it's being outsold 67 to 1 and haven't reach the 100k mark. 

There market where Microsoft Xbox will simply never be able to penetrate or have a major presence. 

Global - PS4 - 79.5 Xbox - 37.59 - 2.11 to 1 ratio
North America (42.81% market) - PS4 - 26.81 XBox - 23.32 - 1.15 to 1 ratio
Europe (35.73% market) - PS4 -  31.84 Xbox - 10 - 3.18 to 1 ratio
Japan (5.82% market) - PS4 - 6.72 Xbox 0.10 - 67.20 to 1 ratio
Rest of the world (15.63%) - PS4 - 14.13 Xbox 4.17 - 3.39 to 1 ratio

The Xbox 360 out sold PS3 most of last generation but they did so only by outselling PS3 in North America. PlayStation brand is much more establish world wide and Microsoft have a long way to go. 

But every time you keep making statement that include Japan a market that Microsoft has clearly abandon it's hard to take you seriously. Beside every future sales is good for Microsoft regardless of how they do against PS4. 

Microsoft is sitting at 37.59 worldwide you think that them getting to 50 won't matter? Sure they won't catch up to Sony but they are constantly growing their brand and presence. 



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yvanjean said:
Aeolus451 said:
Yes. No matter how good the E3 conference is for ms or how many multiplatform games are, it won't push sales in a significant way ww for them.

Your actually thinking that Microsoft is trying to take over PS4 sales in Japan where it's being outsold 67 to 1 and haven't reach the 100k mark. 

There market where Microsoft Xbox will simply never be able to penetrate or have a major presence. 

Global - PS4 - 79.5 Xbox - 37.59 - 2.11 to 1 ratio
North America (42.81% market) - PS4 - 26.81 XBox - 23.32 - 1.15 to 1 ratio
Europe (35.73% market) - PS4 -  31.84 Xbox - 10 - 3.18 to 1 ratio
Japan (5.82% market) - PS4 - 6.72 Xbox 0.10 - 67.20 to 1 ratio
Rest of the world (15.63%) - PS4 - 14.13 Xbox 4.17 - 3.39 to 1 ratio

The Xbox 360 out sold PS3 most of last generation but they did so only by outselling PS3 in North America. PlayStation brand is much more establish world wide and Microsoft have a long way to go. 

But every time you keep making statement that include Japan a market that Microsoft has clearly abandon it's hard to take you seriously. Beside every future sales is good for Microsoft regardless of how they do against PS4. 

Microsoft is sitting at 37.59 worldwide you think that them getting to 50 won't matter? Sure they won't catch up to Sony but they are constantly growing their brand and presence. 

No.



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Good thing i don't own a xbox anymore, i would pissed about gears of war 5 being a female lead.

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taus90 said:
darkenergy said:

No matter how many times this has been said they just ignore it.

but hey switch doesn't have majority of those third party title but still is conveniently outselling Xbox One! I wonder why?? It doesnt matter how much exclusives sells, it gives assurance to the consumer that there is a diverse line up and console manufacturer will have a great support and not abandon the system like MS did with 360 and sony did with Vita, and Cocky nintendo with Wii U by ignoring the third party 

Where did this came from? I'm only replying about someone trying to downplay the Xbox One, Switch wasn't even mention there.

LivingMetal said:
chakkra said:

You say that, but when I look at the top 10 games on the PS4 I only see one exclusive there (ONE!).  And the second best selling exclusive falls in the 14th spot with 6.5m units sold.  Which means that only 8% of the PS4 owners went out of their way to buy the SECOND BEST selling exclusive on the platform.  So sorry, but it looks to me that the majority of PS4 buyers are actually playing  CoD, Fifa and GTA right now. 

Wrong.  I'm not the majority of PS4 buyers.  I don't "go with the flow."  I'm not "sheep."  I'm not the "masses."  And the reality here is that with any popular produce you will have a greater mass penetration.  And more specifically with gaming consoles, this benefits games that are not in the top ten because with a bigger and wider audience it help guarantee the continual success of those titles.  You don't have to have a title in the top 10 to be viable option.  It's been proven with the continual software support on the PS4 since the console's release.  And here's another slice of reality for ya.  Not every PS4 owner who plays FIFA plays COD.  Or not every PS4 owner who plays GTA plays FIFA.  Or not every PS4 owner who plays COD plays GTA.  ETC.  But we all do play multiple genres.  But my principle still stands.  If you like genre "A," chances are is that you'll find more games of genre "A" on a console that offers more options.  HOW HARD IS IT TO PROCESS SOMETHING SO MENTALLY BASIC???  So sorry, but it looks to me that your "analysis" is faulty propagation.  In short, BULLSHIT.

EDIT: Since you want to point out this "paltry" 8% of PS4 owners, that 6.5 million actually supports my argument.  Because whether a title sells 6.5 million or 650,000 as long as they keep making games for you to play, that just gives you more options.  Do I really have to waste precious bandwidth to explain this?

Wow really in my reality every COD and FIFA that's ever release for the PS4 since 2013 has sold 18 million units and counting.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Aeolus451 said:
Yes. No matter how good the E3 conference is for ms or how many multiplatform games are, it won't push sales in a significant way ww for them.

I agree that at this point XBOne sales trend has very little probability to change, but I wouldn't say MS is screwed, as I wrote a few posts earlier, XBOne will most probably end this gen at the third place, but with sales better than every 2nd and 3rd ranking consoles across the whole history of home console gaming except 7th gen, and even better than some generation winners. Yes, disappointing compared to last gen and for Ballmer's attitude, but more than acceptable in absolute and for Nadella's balance and pragmatism.

The Wii U is already dead and buried in last place. It won't magically catch up to Xbox.



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