Dante9 said:
I'm an atheist, so if that fact came up in their bakery, they might refuse me my cake as well.
I think they have every right to choose their customers, and I have the right to take my business elsewhere. It really is as simple as that. It's freedom. Anything other would be problematic.
Why would I even want a cake from someone who really doesn't want to make one for me? I'd rather want one from someone who is eager to please me as a customer. |
Principle. It's not really charitable to deny someone a service like this.. - And it shouldn't be what the Christian faith is about... Aka. Getting upset over something materialistic.
To deny anyone, anything, based on Gender, Sexuality, Race or other attribute is discrimination... And is against good, fair, conscience in my eyes.
Mr Puggsly said:
Fuck the atheist bullshit, its about freedom in general and part of that is not being forced to something against their religion. Nobody had their safety or life was genuinely impacted by the refusal of a stupid cake, just a big waste of time.
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The Bible doesn't make any mention of wedding cakes though.
In-fact, the Bible is against allot of things that Christians blatantly ignore out of convenience. - I mean, I would assume this baker doesn't screen all couples that are getting married to ensure they haven't gone through divorce at some point in their life to deny them a service, right? In short, it's hypocritical of them.
Freedom of Religion also has an implied right of Freedrom from Religion, by that point alone, the bakers should have kept their theistic view out of the cake making process for the couple.
Immersiveunreality said:
Jumpin said:
That's capitalism and free speech. The Christian bakery has the right to be cocks about their business, but when the world finds out about it then they're going to be treated like the dicks that they are.
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If i was gay and they refused to make a cake i would prob been a bit upset but also understanding about the beliefs of that baker and just moved on, this is just pityfull and dumb vengeance .
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Well. That's the thing.
The beliefs of the baker is his beliefs alone, not the customers, they shouldn't be obligated to be upheld to their morals, however questionable it may be.
SpokenTruth said:
What the hell is a gay cake?
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It's where you get two cakes of the same gender...
Or it's a cake covered in copious amounts of glitter and sequins.
Qwark said:
Not really they asked the Baker for a custom product. Not something which was already on the shelf/chart. He has every right to refuse that. He was not unwilling to sell anything to the couple because they where gay.
He refused to make a custom gay wedding cake, because it probably did not align with his views. If he denied service all together it would be a different story though.
Which to be fair he has every right too, as the US supreme court judged. In the end it was a minor inconvienience for the gsy couple since the next Baker would probably bake that cake.
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I think if the same thing was to go through the general legal processes in most European countries, the Bakers would probably not be in a good position.
It is what it is I guess.
Immersiveunreality said:
It is not a justification but at least try to understand the fear for going against religion to some people and that does not mean they hate the gays.
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That's their problem, not the Gay couples... And thus they shouldn't be subjected to their religious doctrine's "morality". (I use that term loosely.)
