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US Supreme Court: Christian baker does not have to bake 'the gay cake'

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massimus said:
Pemalite said:

Homosexuality has been observed in hundreds of animal species.
Some species that mate for life, have a life-long same-sex relationship.

It is most certainly not a behavioral construct, nor a choice.

Yeah I saw that article. Which species have a life long same sex mate?

I agree. I don’t know what it is but I don’t think it’s “homosexuality”. I think some will simply bang anything, animals are rockstars. 

It's Homosexuality. Homosexuality is a word that is used to describe two same-sex animals "together" in an intimate relationship, however long that is. (Be it 5 mins or 50 years.)

The Albatross can have same-sex monogamous relationships is one example, same goes for many species of Swans.

Here is a same-sex penguin couple fostering.
https://www.thedodo.com/gay-penguins-prove-love-is-winning-1220583114.html

Homosexuality is literally a part of nature, same-sex relationships are an extension of that construct.



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You are applying it to a human context though. When we apply the term ďrapeĒ in human context to the animal kingdom it gets much more fucked up, right?

Why more common in birds? That doesnít seem weird to you? Gay penguins might win hearts but I donít think it proves anything personally. They might really believe they are mating lol. Itís not a hallmark movie itís just a couple of dumb birds.

massimus said:
You are applying it to a human context though. When we apply the term “rape” in human context to the animal kingdom it gets much more fucked up, right?

Don't conflate two separate issues. That would be a logical fallacy and thus erroneous.

massimus said:
Why more common in birds? That doesn’t seem weird to you? Gay penguins might win hearts but I don’t think it proves anything personally. They might really believe they are mating lol. It’s not a hallmark movie it’s just a couple of dumb birds.

Doesn't prove anything? Are you serious? It completely proves that my assertions are correct.
And no. It's not weird that it may be more common in some species than others, there are evolutionary, social, environmental, biological pressures at play.

If you are going to delve into goal post shifting logical fallacies, then you have already lost any credibility with this topic, it's as simple as that.





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d21lewis said:
Slippery slope.

With this ruling and the recent refusal of service to Sarah Sanders, I feel that we're moving backwards. I'm black. My wife is white. What's to stop a restaurant from saying "Sorry. We don't serve interracial couples." What's to stop a store from saying "You blacks are nothing but trouble. I'm not selling you that gun."

This is not good. Not good at all. Even if I disagree with somebody's lifestyle choices, religion, political views, etc. I still feel that their rights should not be compromised.

That's okay, just leave and post that shit on social media. The business will close because no self respecting person will want to go there and on top of that you won't give money to the racists. That way we can elminate them from society once and for all!



Pemalite said:
massimus said:
You are applying it to a human context though. When we apply the term “rape” in human context to the animal kingdom it gets much more fucked up, right?

Don't conflate two separate issues. That would be a logical fallacy and thus erroneous.

massimus said:
Why more common in birds? That doesn’t seem weird to you? Gay penguins might win hearts but I don’t think it proves anything personally. They might really believe they are mating lol. It’s not a hallmark movie it’s just a couple of dumb birds.

Doesn't prove anything? Are you serious? It completely proves that my assertions are correct.
And no. It's not weird that it may be more common in some species than others, there are evolutionary, social, environmental, biological pressures at play.

If you are going to delve into goal post shifting logical fallacies, then you have already lost any credibility with this topic, it's as simple as that.



Logical fallacies? How are they separate? Rape has a basic definition too. In a human context it means something different. It’s not “rape” in the animal kingdom just as it’s not “homosexuality” because of a few anomalies. That’s just my opinion.

Yes I’m serious, I’m not convinced. I never claimed to have any credibility on this issue. I already said I don’t know. I have no idea why lol. I don’t think you are right either though. I haven’t looked into it aside from a few links people have replied with. I’m just sharing my opinion. 



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d21lewis said:
Slippery slope.

With this ruling and the recent refusal of service to Sarah Sanders, I feel that we're moving backwards. I'm black. My wife is white. What's to stop a restaurant from saying "Sorry. We don't serve interracial couples." What's to stop a store from saying "You blacks are nothing but trouble. I'm not selling you that gun."

This is not good. Not good at all. Even if I disagree with somebody's lifestyle choices, religion, political views, etc. I still feel that their rights should not be compromised.

I don't know. Probably cause the vast majority of people aren't racist. We don't need Big Brother or unions to protect from us the boogie man, we have social media. Don't like the way a business is handling things, get the message out there. People won't want to go to that establishment and it'll eventually close down.

Pemalite said: 
massimus said: 
You are applying it to a human context though. When we apply the term “rape” in human context to the animal kingdom it gets much more fucked up, right? 

Don't conflate two separate issues. That would be a logical fallacy and thus erroneous.

massimus said: 
Why more common in birds? That doesn’t seem weird to you? Gay penguins might win hearts but I don’t think it proves anything personally. They might really believe they are mating lol. It’s not a hallmark movie it’s just a couple of dumb birds.

Doesn't prove anything? Are you serious? It completely proves that my assertions are correct.
And no. It's not weird that it may be more common in some species than others, there are evolutionary, social, environmental, biological pressures at play.

If you are going to delve into goal post shifting logical fallacies, then you have already lost any credibility with this topic, it's as simple as that.



You can't really just respond with "logical fallacy" and think you won the argument. He makes a good point. There is little reason to compare us to the animal kingdom. We have different thought processes and most animals really have no morals, only survival instincts.

A duck doesn't rape a female duck for the same reason a human rapes. In the animal kingdom it is perfectly natural for certain species to eat their mate or their young, where we find it abhorrent if a human did. And an animal doesn't mate for the same reason humans do. There are instances when some species show what could be love, mainly with higher intelligent ones, but just because an animal mates for life doesn't mean that's what is being displayed. As he pointed out, they really might be dumb enough to think they are mating. 



LiquorandGunFun said:

its his business to lose as he will not make money for the job. its the right ruling. plus are there not other bake shops around? victimization BS.

I guess some think the police should bust in his shop and force him to make it.

It's inconceivable to me that the US Supreme court is asked to waste it's time with this utter nonsense.  



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thismeintiel said:
d21lewis said:
Slippery slope.

With this ruling and the recent refusal of service to Sarah Sanders, I feel that we're moving backwards. I'm black. My wife is white. What's to stop a restaurant from saying "Sorry. We don't serve interracial couples." What's to stop a store from saying "You blacks are nothing but trouble. I'm not selling you that gun."

This is not good. Not good at all. Even if I disagree with somebody's lifestyle choices, religion, political views, etc. I still feel that their rights should not be compromised.

I don't know. Probably cause the vast majority of people aren't racist. We don't need Big Brother or unions to protect from us the boogie man, we have social media. Don't like the way a business is handling things, get the message out there. People won't want to go to that establishment and it'll eventually close down.

Pemalite said: 

Don't conflate two separate issues. That would be a logical fallacy and thus erroneous.

Doesn't prove anything? Are you serious? It completely proves that my assertions are correct.
And no. It's not weird that it may be more common in some species than others, there are evolutionary, social, environmental, biological pressures at play.

If you are going to delve into goal post shifting logical fallacies, then you have already lost any credibility with this topic, it's as simple as that.



You can't really just respond with "logical fallacy" and think you won the argument. He makes a good point. There is little reason to compare us to the animal kingdom. We have different thought processes and most animals really have no morals, only survival instincts.

A duck doesn't rape a female duck for the same reason a human rapes. In the animal kingdom it is perfectly natural for certain species to eat their mate or their young, where we find it abhorrent if a human did. And an animal doesn't mate for the same reason humans do. There are instances when some species show what could be love, mainly with higher intelligent ones, but just because an animal mates for life doesn't mean that's what is being displayed. As he pointed out, they really might be dumb enough to think they are mating. 

Anecdotal, but my grandfather had two dogs that sustained a relationship throughout their entire lives. They even tried to pair both dogs with a female on heat, but both refused it and wouldn’t do anything. I remember they tried everything but just couldn’t their interest in breeding. xD



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massimus said:

Logical fallacies? How are they separate? Rape has a basic definition too. In a human context it means something different. It’s not “rape” in the animal kingdom just as it’s not “homosexuality” because of a few anomalies. That’s just my opinion.

How are they separate? First, hows about you try thinking about how are they even the same?

thismeintiel said:
You can't really just respond with "logical fallacy" and think you won the argument. He makes a good point. There is little reason to compare us to the animal kingdom. We have different thought processes and most animals really have no morals, only survival instincts.

For Christ sake. This angle is silly.
I just showed examples where animals were in a MONOGAMOUS RELATIONSHIP. AKA. NO Rape whatsoever.

thismeintiel said:
You can't really just respond with "logical fallacy" and think you won the argument. He makes a good point. There is little reason to compare us to the animal kingdom. We have different thought processes and most animals really have no morals, only survival instincts.

 

You bet your ass I can and have. There is a reason why logical fallacies exist and why someone looses an argument when they use them.







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How are they the same in our conversation? They are both taken in human context. Their ďloving intimate relationshipĒ is based on nothing more than your wishful thinking. I guess because of your position on human homosexuality? You want it to be a normal part of nature I guess? Justification of some sort? Is that why you are irritated? Iím not talking about humans, we are talking about the animal kingdom. Homosexuality isnít rampant in the wild, itís a fact. The article before yours had a whole book of examples and itís still a rare occurrence. There are any number of reasons why these things happen.