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d21lewis said:
coolbeans said:

False equivalence.  

These special cases that've popped up regarding gay weddings have been from what we may call 'expressive/artistic services': florists, cake bakers, photographers, etc.  Just like traditional artists aren't required to paint, sculpt, etc. something they disagree with so to should such protections extend to those previously stated fields.

Regardless of how you feel about gay marriages, interracial marriages, or whatever else, you've waived that right to deny X people service b/c of public accommodation laws (restaurants, department stores, etc.).  

Funny thing is that they did.  Several times.  This couple was lawsuit-shopping until they finally found a baker that wouldn't do it.  

Your beans are indeed cool and thus I'll accept your explanation about the gay cake. However, how do you explain the Sarah Sanders situation, sir (my alliteration game is top notch). I'm pretty "middle of the road" when it comes to political views but I don't think she should have been denied service because of her affiliation. Maybe they should have said it was a security issue or something. Turning her away because of a dislike of her employer just seems like a line was crossed that shouldn't be crossed.

Ah ha!  A very good question, d21lewis.  The Sanders situation makes me want to go back and redact this part, or at least clarify.  As far as I remember, public accommodation laws extends only to immutable traits across most of the country: gender, race, etc.  Political affiliation is not protected like those across most of the US--D.C. being one such exemption.  

To me, I've started to lean more towards a libertarian utopian ideal: just like any customer can discriminate towards where they wish to eat, so to could ANY business choose whom they want to serve; on top of that, suppliers for said public accommodations can pull out of deals should some they decide to racially discriminate, for example.  I'm not 100% solid on that method, however, but it's an interesting mental exercise that I've weighed in the past. 

EDIT: Sorry for the late response too!

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This isn't the same as not serving someone based on race, as we are all equally human no matter the race. However when can disagree with gay people as being normal as it goes against the norm and what he/she believes as being natural evolution since the dawn of time. You cant say that about the color of people. Or the religion of people, different religions have always been among us.

KratosLives said:
This isn't the same as not serving someone based on race, as we are all equally human no matter the race. However when can disagree with gay people as being normal as it goes against the norm and what he/she believes as being natural evolution since the dawn of time. You cant say that about the color of people. Or the religion of people, different religions have always been among us.

That's, uh, not a really good take.  I mean, what, did homosexuality just suddenly sprout up out of nowhere against nature's wishes?  A plurality of sexual desires (bi, straight, gay) have existed across millennia as well.  The animal kingdom reflects this.  



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coolbeans said:
KratosLives said:
This isn't the same as not serving someone based on race, as we are all equally human no matter the race. However when can disagree with gay people as being normal as it goes against the norm and what he/she believes as being natural evolution since the dawn of time. You cant say that about the color of people. Or the religion of people, different religions have always been among us.

That's, uh, not a really good take.  I mean, what, did homosexuality just suddenly sprout up out of nowhere against nature's wishes?  A plurality of sexual desires (bi, straight, gay) have existed across millennia as well.  The animal kingdom reflects this.  

I don’t think that animals are “homosexual” some of them are just dumber than shit. At least that’s what I have seen with dogs lol. 



still can't believe this was real.. supreme court because refusal to bake a cake?

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massimus said:
coolbeans said:

That's, uh, not a really good take.  I mean, what, did homosexuality just suddenly sprout up out of nowhere against nature's wishes?  A plurality of sexual desires (bi, straight, gay) have existed across millennia as well.  The animal kingdom reflects this.  

I don’t think that animals are “homosexual” some of them are just dumber than shit. At least that’s what I have seen with dogs lol. 

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150206-are-there-any-homosexual-animals

 

Some are. 



I don't know, for me is different to deny a product to someone (selling a cake) to a service (decorate a cake to celebrate homosexuality) if you don't feel comfortable doing something you shouldn't do it.

the-pi-guy said:
massimus said:

I don’t think that animals are “homosexual” some of them are just dumber than shit. At least that’s what I have seen with dogs lol. 

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150206-are-there-any-homosexual-animals

 

Some are. 

The pairings can even last a whole week, mounting hundreds of times.“

Lol I don’t really think that counts. Staring into each other’s eyes and rubbing Gina’s for a week.

 

Animals have been observed engaging in same-sex matings for decades. But for most of that time, the documented cases were largely seen as anomalies or curiosities.”

Aka just being a dumb animal, probably inbred.

 

Despite Bagemihl's roster of examples, homosexual behaviour still seems to be a rarity. We have probably missed some examples, as in many species males and females look pretty much alike. But while hundreds of species have been documented doing it on isolated occasions, only a handful have made it a habitual part of their lives.”

A handful of species engaging in homosexual behavior could be an infinite number of things. I don’t think that’s sufficient evidence to come to any conclusions.  

 





massimus said:
coolbeans said:

That's, uh, not a really good take.  I mean, what, did homosexuality just suddenly sprout up out of nowhere against nature's wishes?  A plurality of sexual desires (bi, straight, gay) have existed across millennia as well.  The animal kingdom reflects this.  

I don’t think that animals are “homosexual” some of them are just dumber than shit. At least that’s what I have seen with dogs lol. 

Homosexuality has been observed in hundreds of animal species.
Some species that mate for life, have a life-long same-sex relationship.

It is most certainly not a behavioral construct, nor a choice.



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Pemalite said:
massimus said:

I don’t think that animals are “homosexual” some of them are just dumber than shit. At least that’s what I have seen with dogs lol. 

Homosexuality has been observed in hundreds of animal species.
Some species that mate for life, have a life-long same-sex relationship.

It is most certainly not a behavioral construct, nor a choice.

Yeah I saw that article. Which species have a life long same sex mate?

I agree. I don’t know what it is but I don’t think it’s “homosexuality”. I think some will simply bang anything, animals are rockstars.